| Author | Message | ||
     Jonesgw |
Does any one know if a Barkers Repack would cause my engine block to crack if it was done improperly? I had the Barker exhaust repacked with the Barkers repacking material and about 30 minutes into my ride my crank case/engine block cracked and oil went everywhere. Prior to that I did have the Stator/Rotor replaced but that seemed to have worked fine prior to the repack but hadn't put many miles on it after that fix until I had the repack so not really sure which is to blame if either. Any thoughts opinions or views would be most helpful. There are also cracks where the exhaust meets the engine on the exhaust side as if the exhaust gases had no where to go. Everything was working fine until I turned that throttle hard and all hell broke loose..? Do repacked exhaust need a break-in period? Perhaps something wasn't put back on properly from the stator/rotor work? Will try and post some pics. Thanks folks. | ||
| Tbowdre |
Aww man that is terrible. Sorry for your loss. No way would a repacked muffler crack an engine block. I know someone else did the work but I can't really see how even beating the shit out of exhaust mounting or beating on stuff for the rotor or stator repair could damage a block..... Unless the crank locking tool / procedure when replacing the rotor had an issue. A broken connecting rod can crack a block | ||
| D_adams |
No. Pics would help. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Generally "packing" isn't packed at all, it's a matt rolled like a paper towel that lines the inside of the muffler tube. I guess they could've balled up 10 lbs of the stuff and punched it in there with a ramrod, like it was a cannon.....but even if you packed the muffler full of concrete it wouldn't cause what you described- An engine is an air pump, if there's not enough air getting out , the air's not getting in either and it just won't run, it wouldn't start.....now a mis-keyed harmonic balancer on a car, or perhaps a poorly mounted rotor causing some sympathetic vibration? Mayhap. Anything's possible, but I've seen plenty of cars/trucks with severely blocked exhausts, usually from a collapsed catalytic converter. They will run like absolute shit, and maybe run hot, but that's about it. Anything's possible. Drill out the rivets and see how they did the job if you really want to rule it out. And by the way, that's awful, sorry to hear it. | ||
| Samcol |
my engine case cracked but it seemed to originate from the clutch. it was around 15k miles. i was getting on it and the clutch plates blew out the bottom of motor. it cracked both sides of the engine case so i replaced the motor with a salvaged one. | ||
| Torquehd |
we'd like to see some pictures if you wouldn't mind. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Are you sure its the block and not one of the engine covers? Engine cover makes more sense. | ||
| Jonesgw |
Thanks SO much for the feedback.. I'll take her out in the sunlight tomorrow and try and get a good shot of the damage. It's really unbelievable the damage that was done.. I think Figor might be right, it's the cover for sure but the cracks extend up, but what concerns me more is what kind of damage might be on the inside. It's on the side of the stator, so the right side. I also thought the repack was a stretch but that was the very last thing I had done so thought I'd throw it out there. My guess is the HD Mech here in Bahrain I had do the work might have missed something. They don't work on many Buells here. Again, it's getting dark on my side of the world so first thing tomorrow I'll take some pics and try and upload them. Thanks for all the feedback folks, much appreciated.. | ||
| Ron_luning |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/542727.html?1267335929 Like that? | ||
| Samcol |
wow ron that looks surprisingly similar to mine. it had a little bigger hole though and the clutch was totally grenaded. i'm not sure if i have pics anymore but i was getting on it around 7-10k like that post said and it happened. | ||
| Nikoff90 |
Samcol just curious what went on your clutch? Are you saying the basket grenade-ed? | ||
| Torquehd |
I think we're going to need pics of this. This is something that needs documented and updated as to what went wrong. | ||
| Samcol |
there was about a 2x2" hole on the right side by clutch. many of the clutch plates were broken. i really don't know much about motors so i'm not sure about the basket. i have pics somewhere i know, but i just can't find them atm. i seem to remember hitting a couple false neutrals before it blew up. | ||
| Jonesgw |
RON, looks almost exactly like that, and yes I was getting on it at between 8k to 9k and then it all went to hell quick, fast and in a hurry.. At first I thought it was the battery again but when it wouldn't start or turn over and I got under a street light and noticed all the oil.. Trying to upload pics now.. | ||
| Jonesgw |
Lets give these a try..      | ||
| Jonesgw |
The bigger cracks are harder to get pics of but you get the idea.. Very similar to Rons issue from the looks of it.. Ron what did you finally end up doing with yours issue? Tell you the truth once I get it fixed this time if I can afford it I'll probably end up selling it. Love the bike but just can't afford to sink anymore money past the 2k I've already spent dealing with the stator.rotor.vr etc.. When she runs she runs but when she doesn't.. Thanks again folks for all the info, any ideas of what the cause of this might have been please advise and what the cost might be to get it fixed. From what I can see the cracks stop right where side bolts onto the other side so hopefully I can replace just the half that's damaged. | ||
| Jonesgw |
couple more for clarity     | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
Maybe that somebody can post a exploded view picture from a parts book to compare whats behind that cracked cover area!? | ||
| Torquehd |
man... that sucks. i didn't truly feel sorry for you until I saw the pics. I'd hit up ebay for a used motor. you can get them for ~$1,000. | ||
| Jaredc01 |
> Maybe that somebody can post a exploded view picture from a parts book to compare whats behind that cracked cover area!? It's the clutch cover side, so I'd say the clutch is behind it.} | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
Im no 1125 expert ,but there were the engine cracked is not the clutch. http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0711_buell_112 5r/photo_06.html To me it looks like there is something that jammed those gears. | ||
| Pmjolly |
I just replaced that cover on mine last weekend. It is called the clutch cover, but it houses the clutch basket, the water pump, and a counterbalancing gear that drives the water pump. It is NOT the engine case. It is about a $300.00 cover new from the dealer. | ||
| Pmjolly |
I cannot imagine what could cause this other than something getting into the sprockets behind that cover. There's just not much there to let loose. | ||
| Jdugger |
I'm with PMJ on this. Could be something as simple as incorrectly torqued fasteners that caused this crack. Replace the clutch side cover and water pump assembly, and move on... | ||
| Jonesgw |
Sounds good to me.. I'll keep you posted as to the final outcome.. Thanks all for the feedback.. | ||
| Ron_luning |
Wasn't my bike. I just saw this post and remembered that problem from a few years ago on here. I think that guy was under warranty and maybe got a new engine. Funny thing is that I sold my 1125R in 2010 after the fire sale and ended up taking a bath on it of course. I have forgotten all the bad stuff about owning one of these and started thinking about buying a used one now. Well, I think i am over the idea. They are great fun when you can put being stranded out of your mind. At one point I left mine in a bad neighborhood with the key in it, hoping that someone would do me a favor and steal it. That was before all the help from EBR with the rotor existed. Even now, seeing your troubles has made up my mind. Good luck with fixing it. | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
Jonesgw & Ron, it really seems like things are hit or miss with these bikes. I know people who have had a lot of problems, then I know others who don't have any. I've got 48K on mine with no major problems yet, but it is an 08. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Wonder what kind of warranty the 1190 will have? Imagine having to deal with these issues after you drop $20,000 on a bike. I wish I had kept my old CR. Had all the bugs worked out of it before I traded it off. I got a deal on another and now I'm hack to square one wither the stator out. Yesterday I shut it off and took the .key out and the fuel pump ran on. So there's a new issue. | ||
| Jaredc01 |
My fuel pump continues to cycle after shutoff as well, last I heard it was to prevent vapor lock. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Ok good to know. My other one never Did that, but if its normal then I'm ok with it. |
