| Author | Message | ||
     Camarorick |
found this site selling the whole kit, comes with jugs pistons, cams, crank, trans gears, whatever is pictured. Anyone run this setup? Looks pretty beast, Ive never heard of anyone doing a big bore buell 1125r. and i always could use a faster bike... 10.90's stock, havnt ran it since exhaust, K&N, and ebr tune. But i play alot on the road course... http://www.efrracing.com/ scroll down | ||
| 1ofakind |
I can only imagine 1328cc.... insane!!!! How would one go about tuning the ECM once something like this is done? Awesome find Camarorick!! | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Custom tune I would think. I imagine you would give up some reliability with this kind of modifications. | ||
| 1ofakind |
can the ECM be custom tuned like other bikes? Power Commander? I thought it was "locked" or something since it seems people tend to send theirs to Buell for flashing different tunes. Agreed on the reliability, I'd do bore only, not stroke for that reason. | ||
| Froggy |
There are tuning programs available, or you can buy the programmable Race ECM from EBR. It is a shame that nothing on that EFRRacing page has pricing, I would love to know what these kits cost, and how they compare to the EBR 1190cc kit | ||
| Mortbike |
I have the EBR Racing ECM for my Barker's exhaust which had a very good tune but was able to achieve a further improved result with a PCV custom dyno tune for my particular bike/location. I don't see any reason why that could not be done for an over bore modification as well. | ||
| 1ofakind |
thanks guys. Mortbike, can a PCV be custom tuned on a bike with the factory ECM or is the EBR Racing ECM required to play with a PCV? | ||
| Mortbike |
Yes, you can use the PCV with the stock ECM but the EBR racing ecm gives you a huge head start with a fantastic afr base map plus ignition timing and a few other beneficial features that someone else on this forum with more ecm experience could explain to you better than I can. I can tell you that while the EBR racing ecm map for my Barker's exhaust was excellent, the improvements gained by tuning over it with the PCV were fantastic(more hp/tq, throttle response, acceleration, smoothness, low speed running, etc.) but expensive including approx $300 for the PCV and another $325 for the custom dyno tune. I would spend that $625 again without a doubt to achieve the improved results. I did post the comparative dyno graphs about six months or so ago but not sure of how to locate the thread. Mort | ||
| 1ofakind |
Thanks Mort. What I'm thinking though is that if one goes and gets a 1235cc or 1328cc kit, the EBR Racing ECM would no longer provide a head start. So then starting there or with just a PCV should be about the same. Am I thinking about this right? Looking on the PCV website, it doesn't indicate whether the unit available for 1125R has or does not have built-in ignition control.. | ||
| Georgehitch17 |
I emailed them this morning asking about reliability, pricing, HP/TQ improvements etc. I will post it as soon as I get a reply | ||
| 1ofakind |
Awesome! | ||
| Froggy |
1ofakind, if someone where to get this displacement kit, the best bet would be to skip the power commander and get the EBR Programmable ECM. The ECM will cost a little more, and it still will need to be tuned, but you can change everything that the ECM controls, unlike the power commander which can only affect the fuel to a certain extent and possibly ignition. | ||
| Deanh8 |
I called on the kits. 1235 does 180whp and the 1328cc does 202+ whp He said $5,000 for the 1235cc kit and $7500 for the 1328 kit And it only made those numbers with his head/cam kit, which is an additional $3500 Awesome numbers, sky high price  | ||
| Dannybuell |
A Kawasaki 1400 ninja will do that and you have a better chance of getting your money back when you sell it. | ||
| Mortbike |
1 ofakind I would follow Froggy's advice. While the PCV does offer the option of adjusting ignition timing, we can be sure that Froggy is right in that a programmable EBR ECM would be best if you have someone who knows how to tune it. Skilled PCV dyno tuners are bit easier to locate. | ||
| 1ofakind |
Thanks guys that's what I'm thinking too. I'm not very familiar with tuning so I don't know what other parameters would be useful to be able to change beyond what a PCV can do. Either way those prices completely killed the excitement lol. | ||
| Georgehitch17 |
so for $11,000 you can get 202 WHP if this place isn't BSing. good luck to them | ||
| 1ofakind |
I'm sure this must be with labor included... but even still... insane prices. There is a company somewhere in Europe that races 1125Rs out on the salt flats here in the states.. they push the stock displacement above 170whp.. anyone know which one I'm referring too? I don't remember.. | ||
| 1ofakind |
Any idea what a custom big bore job would run on our bikes? I'm thinking surprisingly reasonable compared to EFR. | ||
| Sportster_mann |
I would rather stick with the EBR kit seeing as it's back in stock - http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125r/ 106mm-big-bore-kit.html | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
On another Buell website there is a guy there saying that TunePro will work on any EBR ECM. | ||
| Pmjolly |
Did y'all see this? http://www.efrracing.com/9secondBuell.html I wonder if this one is built up. | ||
| Deanh8 |
No installation , those were the prices to ship them to me. The bike shown above is done by him, he makes the swing arms. $4,200 dollars for that one, includes wheel, chain and brake setup. | ||
| Deanh8 |
I bet this head/cam combo + the EBR 1190 kit would make an awesome combo for under 5k. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
That bike belongs to Mike1125r on here i believe, never heard anything about him using that kit; I thought he had used the EBR 1190 kit though... off topic...why is it that EBR sells HMF exhaust??? they arent the best overall, so im just a little perplexed by that lol Jake | ||
| 1ofakind |
those prices fro EFR are ridiculous. For that money you can make 500whp turbo build. For a street beast, these prices are way too high, specially for a "kit." Unless I am way out of the loop, I don't think there is a "Buell tax." | ||
| Oldog |
for some reason the increased displacement kit HP numbers seem a bit high. Stock 146 hp 1125 "stg 1" 180 hp 1235 ( + 110 cc ) 34 hp "stg 2 " 202 hp 1328 ( + 203 cc ) 66 hp smells fishy heads or not, EBR changed more than the jugs&heads to get into the 200 HP range... | ||
| Zac4mac |
Oldog - you left out cams. That could be a big thing. Still seems price bloated. no sarcasms there. I port HD/Buell heads to pay my bills. These prices are 2-4X what is reasonable. I see kits like these for 800 bucks not 5k. Anyone want to send me a set of 1125 heads to play with? Z On re-examination, seems the 1125 kits have enough parts to warrant the price. A few seem to be "exchange" parts. Guess it goes back to "If you want to play, you gotta pay". I really don't like the idea of stroking the 1125 tho, I like the high redline. Open the bore and do some headwork, bump up the compression and keep the 11k limit. So - bore cylinders, new pistons, headwork, new conn rods and maybe cams then tune. Add race gas and hang on.  Dreams... (Message edited by zac4mac on July 18, 2013) | ||
| Nvbuell |
1ofakind, This is what your looking for. I live about 1.5 hours from the Salt Flats. They have all kinds of stuff going on there, though I have never been able to hook up with the guys from Twin when they are testing. Bummer... http://www.twinmotorcycles.com/ | ||
| Deanh8 |
Oldog, EBR had to stay within very strict rules to compete in AMA, also EBR did NOT bump the displacement more then 65cc, also while running cams that pass very strict US and californi emission standards... High lift lopey race cams and an additional 200+cc I can see decent numbers. Even the 1190RS race bikes now still run stock cams, they are working hard at developing cams to match their 1190 kit now that AMA allows cam changes (Message edited by deanh8 on July 22, 2013) (Message edited by deanh8 on July 22, 2013) |
