| Author | Message | ||
     Thefleshrocket |
I'm probably going to start doing track days on my 1125R this year and am wondering what I should invest in as far as crash protection. My intent is to avoid significant damage (stuff that would be expensive/difficult to fix like the frame) in case of a low-side. Buell designed the pods to take the brunt of the impact and to be easily/cheaply replaceable, but obviously there are people who are running the frame packs and front and rear axle sliders, so presumably the pods don't offer comprehensive protection. (I have never used axle sliders, but have never damaged the fork lowers or swingarm on any bike I've low-sided.) Those of you who have low-sided without additional protection, what was damaged? Those f you who have low-sided with extra protection, did the extra stuff protect as expected? | ||
| Jdugger |
If you keep your passenger pegs, it's basically the pods and the passenger peg, plus the clutch or stator cover. | ||
| 50dro |
I've had customers low side 1125s before. Those pods do offer a lot of protection but they're a little high to protect the lower components of the bike such as the swing-arm, forks or pegs. The axle sliders have proven to be worth their weight in gold to all of my customers that actually "used" them (but we only charge $95! LOL) | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Left side: Bar/clip-on, pod, stator cover, peg, shifter, swingarm, tail (rear peg and hanger if still in place) If the impact is bad you can damage the radiator. It is also possible to impact the shifter output shaft and damage the transmission... this is a big money problem because you may have to pull and split the motor to repair the tranny. I don't know if anyone has had that last particular issue but I would highly recommend a set of hard mounted pegs. I picked up a set of used peg hangers on eBay and a set of bolt on pegs from EBR to make my own. I believe hard mounted pegs would have protected the shifter shaft from impact. My list for track protection items hard mount pegs bar ends axle sliders case covers Rashed but functional tail for track use Extra set of pods (I guess you could use a lightly scratched set from ebay but would avoid anything that might have lost integrity due to an impact.) Spare shifter and rear brake lever Spare bar ends | ||
| 99buellx1 |
The CF clutch and stator covers are worth every penny. | ||
| Rodrob |
It is also possible to impact the shifter output shaft and damage the transmission... this is a big money problem because you may have to pull and split the motor to repair the tranny. I beg to differ on this. The shifter shaft has no solid connection to the transmission, so it would be very difficult to damage the transmission by impacting the shaft. If you've been told that your transmission has been damaged in this way, I would be very skeptical. Unless the shaft is bent, it is quite easily replaced without splitting the cases. Only he clutch needs to be removed. It would be possible to crack the engine case if the impact was severe enough I suppose, but I have never seen this. I think that a more than a few dealers exaggerate the need for splitting the cases. | ||
| Rodrob |
If you keep your passenger pegs, it's basically the pods and the passenger peg, plus the clutch or stator cover. It's been my unfortunate experience that the passenger pegs provide minimal protection. My last lowside resulted in a bent swing arm due to the passenger peg impacting it. The brackets are not strong enough to not bend in a lowside and the subframe mounting points have a tendency to crack. I've had better luck with using just the rear axle sliders. Your mileage may differ. Clutch and stator covers are a must. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
My post on the tranny damage... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/615202.html I have the old parts; they replaced the shifter rod, drum, and some other parts... I think the fork too. I'll have to look when I get home. (Message edited by notpurples2 on January 30, 2013) | ||
| Rodrob |
My post on the tranny damage... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/615202.html That really sucks. I am sorry to hear about your misfortune. Do you have a pic of the shift drum and rod? I would be very interested to see the damage. Below are pics of how the shift rod slides in and interacts with the detent wheel and shift drum for anyone interested. Again, I am very sorry for the damage you experienced.    | ||
| Syonyk |
The CF clutch and stator covers are worth every penny. Definitely. Replacing my clutch cover after a lowside cost more than the case savers. I lowsided on the track with the lower fairings installed and damaged: - Lower fairing. Rough damage to it, haven't bothered to fix it. - Clutch cover. Replaced it. $$$.  - Passenger peg. Still usable, eventually replaced it with a spare. - Rider footpeg "feeler peg" - eventually replaced it. They crash quite well as long as they don't tumble. | ||
| Two_seasons |
EBR sells the stator and clutch CF covers. A must have, regardless of street or track! Cheap insurance. Another must have, axle sliders! | ||
| 50dro |
I have you covered on those if you need them. Our non-spooled ones are on clearance for only $80 shipped (limited quantities), or $95 for the spooled ones. Prices are for front and rear sets. Fronts are not spooled in either case. Both can be seen here: http://www.5-0dro.com/index.php/cart/Categories?op tion=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_categ ory_id=1&Itemid=12&select_item=38_7&select_item_38 _7=2_1&select_item_2_1=0 Use "badweb" at checkout for a forum discount! Let us know if we can help! | ||
| Zac4mac |
Lo-side right side 20-25 mph - I slid out of the HD shop's parking lot, trying to make the tires last a little longer. I got 19,994 miles out of that front tire. Replaced it the next day. The next one went 5,000. Just about time for another, at 29k and change. Damaged: RH mirror, right side rear axle slider, puck, clutch cover, RH pod, F&R brake levers, RH rider peg(pass pegs & mounts removed). Had to replace cover and puck. ouch I had just bought and installed axle sliders from Keith at Dark Horse a week before. Slider saved swingarm, 10 minutes with the lathe and it was good as new. Z | ||
| Jdugger |
> My last lowside resulted in a bent swing arm due to the passenger peg impacting it Dang, man, when you crash you crash with VIGOR!  I would say if someone wants sliders, the ones that mount through the axle are the ones that will provide the best protection and do the least unintended damage to the bike. I don't like through-axle sliders for quick tire change reasons, but they probably are the best choice mechanically. I wouldn't bother with front sliders. I've tossed and wadded a half dozen times on these bikes and never so much as scuffed the front forks. | ||
| 01fxdx |
As mine when sliding down the highway, the case covers worked like a charm!! the clutch side took all the abuse, a couple of scratches on the cases, but nothing serious. The frame broke at the steer tube so the front end was on it's own though all of it. The handle bars and front end took a real beating. swing arm is scratched, but not terrible. | ||
| Rodrob |
I wouldn't bother with front sliders. I've tossed and wadded a half dozen times on these bikes and never so much as scuffed the front forks. Ditto. | ||
| Terrys1980 |
I had a low speed low side but still managed to scratch up a quite few parts. bar end, brake lever, stator cover, shifter, passenger peg, lift spool and radiator pod. No damage to the fork end or swingarm. | ||
| Zac4mac |
When I was playing with a red 1125R model last night, it sure looked like the passenger pegs' mount with a set of sliders would be a big help in a lo-side. I didn't have them and I'm sure I remember 10 points of contact. Only could account for 8 tho... I may be starting my Alzheimer's... Z | ||
| 99buellx1 |
If you haven't decided for sure, buy these....now....do it. http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125r/ carbon-fiber-clutch-cover-guard.html http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125r/ carbon-fiber-stator-cover-guard.html Serious, what are you waiting for, go...now. Saved my motor here, they took the full brunt of the curbing:   | ||
| Rodrob |
Ouuuuuuuch! | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
99buellx1, it's hard to tell from your GIF, but it almost looks like you were running Pilot Road 2s. Not what I'd expect to see on a track or race bike, of course, but that would explain your low-side! | ||
| Jhuppdog |
Damn. What all needed to be replaced after that? | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Go buy some beater HonYamKawSuz 600 and use that for track days. More fun running the sh..crap out of something you don't have much $$ in and no emotional attachment. Track days are about fun and IMHO a beater 600 is more fun all things considered. And they are pretty hard to blow up. Here I even found the PERFECT one in your area just to prevent a Buell from getting crashed! 2007 GSXR 600 $1200!! (Granny lost the title) Freakin' deal! http://carbondale.craigslist.org/mcy/3585811090.html (Message edited by duphuckincati on February 01, 2013) | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Rob - I came out with a big bruise on my hip from bouncing over the curb. Hopped up and walked off. The gif should also go to show how to crash, don't try to stop your body, get your extremities out of the way so they don't get broken. TFR - Pirelli Supercorsa DOT race rubber J - Entire front end, but that was about it, all in all, not that bad. | ||
| Rodrob |
A real good reason to not have curbs on a race track! Glad you were relatively OK. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Thanks, Duphuckincati--I may look into that if for no other reason than to flip it. If it's in decent shape, it's worth more than $1200 even without a title. I actually have a '91 CBR600F2 that I've used for one track day. The CBR has been in my collection since '95 or so and was in great shape until my brother low-sided it on both side (two separate times). It's got a Traxxion-revalved cartridge fork up front and an Elka out back, but the Elka is severely undersprung and underdamped for me, and I've been balking at spending $300 on the shock for a bike that's not worth a whole lot of money. But maybe you're right--if I wad the CBR, it's no big deal, whereas crashing the 1125 would suck. I was just hesitant on trying to convince the wife that I need to spend money on having the shock revalved. (Interestingly, I do have an F3 shock. Maybe I should have that revalved and resprung and sell the Elka. I ought to be able to get at least $300 out of the Elka and I'm sure the revalved F3 shock would be fine for my moderate skill level.) | ||
| 2734 |
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads /2013/02/MV-Agusta-F3-Corse-Parkingo-Team-635x451. jpg I'd like to see a case guard like the one on this MV being made for the 1125. |
