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Hughlysses
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 08:10 pm: | 
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In case some of you never make it over to the Quickboard, there's a very relevant interview with Erik in this week's Cycle News:
http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120911? #pg74 |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 09:02 pm: |
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THX Hughlysses |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 09:09 pm: |
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So they are casting cases, jugs, heads etc? Or buying the 1125R motor and tearing down then building up the 1190RS motor? Or and I really don't know if rotax subs it out and EBR is now buying raw parts directly from rotaxs vendor? |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 10:35 pm: |
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Per the CN article:
"The rights to this engine have been acquired by EBR".
That, to me, reads as "they own the design and can have whoever they want cast it, build it, modify it, update it, and produce it."
Oh, wait. Next sentence in the article:
"EBR, which now constructs it in its Wisconsin factory".
Guess they decided who they want building it, eh? |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 10:39 pm: |
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The choice of words is what brings the question I asked. No need to be a SA. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 11:21 pm: |
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Not being a smartass, sorry if it came across as such. |
Ljm
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 01:15 am: |
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A lot of over the horizon thinking going on there. Nice to follow someone with vision. |
Battyone
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 07:55 am: |
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Well if they are going to make the whole motor themselves,can someone ask them to make sure the rotor and crank splines match this time? So we don't have to retorque them to 300lb to stop em rattlin.
I doubt very much that they are going to make them themselves, assemble? maybe? But that's what they are doing now.dismantling 1125s to convert to 1190s...Most likely having the rights will enable them to have rotax build the 1190 for them.That'll make a road bike 1190 cheaper to build. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 08:00 am: |
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sorry man i was really edgy yesterday. i am just curious if they are still buying complete 1125r motors and then building up to the 1190 spec or if they are buying the components in the raw if you will and 'constructing' from there. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 08:02 am: |
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or that as batty is suggesting having rotax make the 1190 so it's a drop in which would drop costs significantly |
Curve__carver
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 08:44 am: |
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So EBR will make their own engines. OK, that's good.
It makes all the secret squirrel non-sense in the previous pages seem unnecessary. |
Pattio
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 09:11 am: |
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I just feel more confused than before. What does it mean to 'make' vs 'manfacture' vs 'assemble' motorcycle motors?
I'm pretty sure that 'make' and 'manufacture' involve casting and turning and milling centers the size of houses, and teams of technicians to operate them. I find 'assemble' a much more likely term for what is going on. Has anyone seen any casting or forging equipment being delivered to headquarters?
Owning the 'rights' to something is different from owning the 'tooling' or the facility to use the tooling. I don't see my man EB wanting to be in the casting and forging business. |
Curve__carver
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 09:20 am: |
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Sounds like the same model they use to have many parts produced...They own the rights to the design and they find a vendor to produce them to spec.
Same for frames, wheels, etc. |
S21125r
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 02:20 pm: |
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Having a dedicated foundry to support 2000 bikes next year seems a little cost/space prohibitive. I assume Rotax made it work (if they even did the castings...) because they had other engines to help offset the foundry overhead costs. So my guess is that castings are probably sub'd and much of the machining probably done in house.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of the smaller mfgs like Ducati or Aprilia outsource their casting for the same reasons. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 04:21 pm: |
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wouldn't surprise me in the slightest anymore almost no one actually manufactures in the way 'we' think they do. it's all mostly assembly work. cars, trucks, tvs appliances etc etc the "O.E.M" buys components made to spec then sets to work assembling a pile-o-parts. |
Syonyk
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 05:13 pm: |
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What are the actual casting differences between the 1125 motor and the 1190 motor?
If I recall properly, it's the cylinder sleeve, the heads, and things like valves/pistons/crankshaft/etc.
I can see Rotax shipping the core engine parts to Milwaukee, where they're assembled into a full engine with parts sourced elsewhere (the titanium valves/the pistons/etc). |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 06:34 pm: |
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The head work I recall was mentioned but not detailed in a previouss thread the jugs appear to just be overbored maybe a little clearence work here and there for the different rods? |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 07:47 am: |
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}It makes all the secret squirrel non-sense in the previous pages seem unnecessary.
Not really. I think I mentioned in those pages that it wasn't my (or anyone here's) place to spill the beans, and the factory would let loose when they were ready.
Which, apparently, they have.
People want to speculate, that's fine. It's half the fun - and watching where the thread headed at times...flat-out hilarious! |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:17 am: |
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seriously though where is the flux-capacitor? |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 04:17 pm: |
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Pending EPA certification |
X1brett
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 04:29 pm: |
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Of course, Erik did mention the "future of motorcycling" in the article. |
Alter1
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 03:10 pm: |
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Good read. http://www.motorcyclepowersportsnews.com/Item/1049 03/erik_buell_racing_expands.aspx |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 03:48 pm: |
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Another great article; lots of info on the dealer network. Thanks for posting! |
Stacius
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 07:23 pm: |
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"EBR is launching three new platforms in 2013 — an R version, a Street Fighter and an Adventure series. These three new models will be based upon the EBR-designed and developed 1190cc liquid-cooled twin and will be priced under $19,000."
Whoot! |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:38 am: |
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really excited to see what they have been working on |
Velocity
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:56 am: |
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Hope we can get good trade in on our 1125R towards new ebr ride... |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 11:00 am: |
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lmao you're kidding right? |
Figorvonbuellingham
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 01:02 pm: |
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I just hope the 1190 doesnt suffer any of the same flaws that the 1125 has or any new ones. At least not serious ones. I would expect any new introduction bike to have some issues, hopefully nothing major. The bike definately seems track worthy. It will be interesting to see how it fairs on the road. It seems to me that will be a whole new set of circumstances. |
Velocity
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 02:53 pm: |
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Boogiman,
I was hoping, I need that cash to get somewhere close to being able to buy a new one.... I think a lot of ppl. are in that zone. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 02:57 pm: |
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i feel you on that Velocity I am curious if you've done any research as to what the trade ins are now? |
Velocity
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 08:50 am: |
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Well if I go buy a Ducati (brand new) they will give me 5500.00 but then I owe 12,000. Yea not going to happen. Haven't tried the HD dealers.
I have an idea, for ebr, I know he wants to sell new bikes, but we trade in our R's and the CR's he has a side group that referbs the bikes into 1190 motors and resells them to the ppl that cant swing for the all new. This gets new bikes sold, and he sells the referbs cant lose. If you cant get a new one, would'nt you buy a gone through 1125 that now has an 1190 motor..... I know it was just a thought........ |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 09:19 am: |
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the cost of building the 1125 into the 1190 is pretty high. i don't know the exact #'s but i would be willing to bet it would be prohibitive. |
