| Author | Message | ||
     Xnoahx |
Just a heads up for anyone that hasnt done it but still wants to, after 2/15 dealers will no longer be able get the harness to perform the harness update. | ||
| Avc8130 |
If you have an 09...and you haven't gotten this done...you are certifiably insane. ac | ||
| Aseecobra |
What am I if I had it and removed it? Chris | ||
| Avc8130 |
Someone who would be wise to have $1k set aside for a stator and not bitch when he needs it. Ac | ||
| Punisher1125r |
I have an 08 1125r bought it in dec only ridden it for 1k miles kinda a knob to the whole recall thing. Is this something that pertains to the 08? Thanks  | ||
| Froggy |
AC, there are many bikes that haven't been done simply because their owners don't know. Harley tries their best to contact them, but people move, people buy/sell their bikes, and other reasons make it not always easy to inform the owner about the program. I've seen it happen on the XBoard, someone buys a old Firebolt, finds out the headlights are melted, then sure enough the bike never had the now expired headlight program done. | ||
| Froggy |
Punisher1125r, this only applies to 2009/2010 bikes, and only a few 08's that have had the motor replaced with 09/10 motors. | ||
| No_rice |
hell, i know, and mine hasn't been done. even ordered myself in a part and never had them put it in. ended up letting it go to another customer when they showed up wanting one. | ||
| No_rice |
incase no one noticed, the vast majority of people that had the harness installed, still ended up needing stators and rotors... some of them long after the fact. | ||
| Punisher1125r |
kul thanks froggy!  | ||
| Dennis_c |
do you need the harness update if you have the EBR stator? | ||
| Froggy |
Dennis, no you do not. The harness is only intended for the 09/10 stator, running it with the 08 stator or low output EBR kit is not necessary. I did have an issue with the battery light coming on while riding with the 08 stator and the harness, I guess it got reconnected when it was in the shop last time. I totally removed it now, no more light. | ||
| Aseecobra |
Frank, Stators on both my bikes took a dump faster with it than without it. Chris | ||
| Timebandit |
It's amazing how many people own bikes that know about the harness update but still don't get it because of the disinformation that's been propagated around here. A friend of mine bought a used 2009 last weekend from a seller who knew about the update and didn't bother to get it. When I told him that the program expired this month, he forced the original owner to get the harness update before completing the transaction. Someone with a 2009 that refuses to get the harness update is leaving money on the table. Nobody says you have to use it; if you don't believe in the harness update you might as well get it just for the free connectors. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Generally guys that got the harness and wound up needing stators were guys who had the harness just thrown on with the original stator. That stator then failed due to previous damage. Anyone who has had a stator failure ON A STATOR RUN WITH THE HARNESS 100% OF ITS LIFE probably has a harness installed wrong. Pretty easy as I have read about plenty of dealers putting the ECM lead in the wrong pin location, or not flashing to the current ECM programming. OR they are running an aftermarket ECM with no programming for the harness. The FACT is that the harness works. It saves stators. It does this by NOT charging the battery between 2k and 4500 rpm. This is why guys want to disconnect it. They will buy more stators. Do as you wish, your bike is not my problem. My 09 is sold. ac | ||
| Timebandit |
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| Aseecobra |
Tony, In my case, HD instructed the dealer to remove it according to the service manager. Chris (Message edited by aseecobra on February 12, 2012) | ||
| Avc8130 |
Chris, If you have a bike with an 09/10 charging system, that is insane. Whatever makes you happy. Just don't complain when the bike is down for another stator. Hope you have extended warranty or something...otherwise HD just gave your dealer advice to sell another stator at the parts counter at your expense. ac | ||
| Timebandit |
Insane? Maybe not. Depends entirely on your riding style. According to the chief engineer on the 1125 motor the guys who race the 09/10-spec bikes don't have the stator problems. Period. I think that JD has had the same experience. Anecdotally, it seems that the street guys who flog the shit out of them don't seem to have a lot of problems either. Guys without the harness who putter around like they're riding a typical air cooled H-D product, and those guys who get stuck in traffic, seem to go through a lot of stators. (Maybe with the exception of statistical outliers like Froggy.) I think that just riding the bike hard enough to maintain enough RPM/oil flow and enough MPH/air flow solves the problem. At least it seems to make the stators last a lot longer. Certainly, if you avoid the <5000 RPM condition, there's no point in getting the harness upgrade. If you routinely ride below 4200, you're ••••••• nuts not to have it. (Message edited by timebandit on February 12, 2012) | ||
| Avc8130 |
Time, As usual, I agree. Froggy, after MUCH bloating about his "perfect" stator and terribly destructive riding habits, went through a stator on his 09. I still have yet to see a negative of a properly installed harness. Sure, if you have the harness the bike doesn't charge from 2k-4500...but, if you don't have the harness and ride in that area you are destroying stators. Pick your poison. ac | ||
| Timebandit |
I hadn't heard that Froggy had a stator problem. It would be good if he could add his info to that stator pic thread we've got going, along with his mileage info. Did this just happen? Somehow I've missed it, and I've only seen the threads where Froggy had been continually dodging the bullet. | ||
| Avc8130 |
He was quiet about it. | ||
| Froggy |
I had it fail a while back. Failed 7000ish miles, only a few thousand after getting the harness, then the second stator failed around 13000 miles, all of which with the harness installed. I am running the 08 components now, so far so good. The harness came out in Feb 2010, I got it around that time, it lasted till that summer then I had the failure kick in while on the highway riding from Boston back to NY. Ran with the harness on since then, then it failed again last spring shortly after doing a track day. I don't post much about it because it leads to endless bitching because I apparently have the only 1125s on the planet that run fine without lugging at 3000rpm, no point in keeping it in the low gears killing tires and gas when just commuting to work. I am running the 08 components, and it has been great for me ever since. | ||
| Alter1 |
Is there a way to tell if mine has been done without going to the dealer? | ||
| Timebandit |
The easiest way is to pop off the seat, and look at the wiring harness and compare it to what's in the standard service manual and what's in the TSB for the harness update. Given that the deadline is Wednesday, I'd schedule an appointment with the dealership if you have any doubts. Or maybe call them and ask if they can do a VIN check over the phone. Act fast. Act now. | ||
| Froggy |
Alter1, pop off your seat and take a look, here are some pictures to show you what it looks like, if you can't find this extra wiring, then you don't have it. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1773989#POST1773989 | ||
| Redcrrider |
If anyone wants a harness upgrade, I have one I took off my bike. I took it off because it would not charge the battery at idle. If you live in the city and have to constantly stop for lights, then make several stops and restarts in a short period of time, you could find yourself with a battery that doesn't have enough juice to turn the motor over, I did. Without the harness it charges at 14 volts at idle, with it I never saw move than high 12's. I will have my stator rewound if it fails and eventually upgrade(or is it a downgrade?) to the 08 components. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Giving the harness away alone is useless without the ECM programming. I would venture to say your harness was installed improperly (wrong pin on ECM and/or no ECM re-program and/or bad relay) if you had NO charging at idle. The condition you describe is NOT how the harness is designed to work. I would keep a "stator fund" around if I were you... ac | ||
| Alter1 |
Thanks Froggy. I checked and it is there so it was there when I bought it new. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
my bike goes down to 12.2V at idle with the charging harness, is this normal? I swapped out the relay, and found out the dealer had the harness wired incorrectly, I correctly wired the harness, I thought this would fix the problem, but when I idle the bike for 5 mintues the voltage drops from the 13's down to the low 12's. |
