| Author | Message | ||
     Clarkjw |
Figured the forum might appreciate my exchange with Erik Buell Racing. Its nothing confidential, but plenty helpful to anyone thinking about the conversion. My SPECULATION is that an aesthetic "Stage A" (Fairing, Modified Airbox cover, XB lights, Subframe, Shorai Battery, wires & plate holder, tail lights) conversion could be done for less than a few thousand, with a "Stage B" (Showa BPF, Showa Shock, K&N, rotor upgrade, barker exhaust /ECM, chain drive, clipons, tripple clamp,aluminum wheels) as good next step. I'm actually 25% done with such an upgrade. Based on Erik Buell Racing's web pricing I'm guessing $6-7k for everything. Unfortunately, most the parts aren't readily available. FYI, I was quoted a rate on the Showa BPF I'll keep to myself until later. If you're seriously interested in a conversion kit, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to let Erik Buell Racing know there is substantial demand  From Erik Buell Racing: You sent the following inquiry via our 1190 order request form. Not sure what this means exactly, but if the inquiry is to convert your 1125 into an 1190RS, that is not realistically possible. 90% of the parts would need to change. From Clarkjw: You still use the same engine, just bored out...correct? I guess I could just sell my 1125, but I trying to figure out what's optimal. If it were a conversion, I could keep the same VIN & title etc. I assumed alot more would transfer. If its not reasonable, I'd like a rough quote on a new VIN in fiberglass with Showa Forks/Shock. Thanks! From Erik Buell Racing: There are huge differences, Clarkjw. The chassis shares almost nothing with the 1125. Maybe 10 parts out of 400. The engine has some parts in common, but the crankshaft, rods, pistons, rings, pins, cylinders, heads, valves, cams, charging system, clutch, etc. are different. From Erik Buell Racing: The base 1190RS is $37490 with fiberglass body and aluminum wheels. We only make the 1190RS with Ohlins forks and shock absorber. Thank you, Customer Support Erik Buell Racing From Clarkjw I appreciate the quick reply. My budget was about half that price. I'm sure you'll have more to come in the future. Keep up the great work. Best regards, Clarkjw From Erik Buell Racing Understood Clarkjw. These first 100 are super premium with the very best of everything, so that's where they wound up.} | ||
| Court |
Thank you for sharing that. It's precisely what several of us have tried to convey to the "it's the same motor" crowd without success. That's very helpful. Court | ||
| Ratbuell |
now if a mod could just fix the thread title so its clickable...and maybe add an 'EVERYONE PLEASE READ - 1125/1190 DIFFERENCES' to it  (not everyone knows to click the thread above it, and once that opens click the 'next' button at the top...) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"but the crankshaft, rods, pistons, rings, pins, cylinders, heads, valves, cams, charging system, clutch, etc. are different. " Funny he didnt mention the cases being different..... right Blake? | ||
| Court |
>>>>Funny he didnt mention the cases being different..... right Blake? He did not. I think if you are as near as smart as you think it would be prudent to purchase a set of 1125 cases and see if you can build an 1190 motor. I think you'd be surprised. Frankly, . . . I don;t care if you are right or wrong. Your manners are poor, you're argumentative simply for the sake of arguing and generally paint yourself as having about as much class as a turd in a punchbowl. Again . . . I don't care if you're right or wrong but you are precisely the reason that I spend a hell of a lot less of my time, and about $10,/yr of my won money . . helping Buell owners with problems. That's just my personal opinion. Fortunately . . unlike Blake . . I've been around assholes in the construction business, the motorcycle business, when I was in the USMC and while I was with The White House. I don;t engage, I just choose who I associate with more carefully. You've brought nothing positive to a single thread you've ever participated in. It's a bit of a shame and, I suspect, representative of other facets of your life. Court | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"You've brought nothing positive to a single thread you've ever participated in" bold statement you should read more threads I participate in. | ||
| Court |
It's an accurate statement. I've been doing Buell message boards for over 17 years and miss very few posts. You are simply unpleasant and in my personal opinion not terribly bright. You're opinion will doubtless differ. So be it. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Thats awesome Court, thanks! But I think the few you miss may be the ones I am speaking of, ones where I've assisted, helped, etc So no, its not an accurate statement. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
try editing the title so that it doesnt say erik buell racing or Erik Buell Racing Or Im sure an Admin/Mod will change it for you | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
ps - that second 'erik buell....' was originally typed with the letters e b and r it automatically changes | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
clark - the aluminum wheels youre talking about - where on the site are these? I saw the Mag front wheel, but didnt know if you'd gotten pricing on an aluminum version of the NEW wheel design. And if you had, mind sharing? | ||
| Clarkjw |
The impression I got from Mr Buell is that the Aluminum wheels are structurally the same as the hubless 1190 mag wheels. However, they are exactly $2500 cheaper. The mag front wheel on the site is NOT the hubless design | ||
| Kinder |
Court: You started it with the "It's precisely what several of us have tried to convey to the "it's the same motor" crowd without success. " That comment had no place in this thread. You were trolling and caught Hybrid. Hybridmomentspass just picked up the point you are using to make to your point to further his arguement/point (which I agree with  ) Then you proceed to insult him? Wow... how cultured and well mannered are you? As for building the engine conversion.... sure it'll be pricey but not impossible... Erik Buell Racing has done it. As long as a parts source is available it can be done. I bet you I could do it with my current '09 motor. Let's say $25000? The comment I want to know is what changes they made to the charging system! | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
kinder - i wasnt trying to catch court trolling or anything, my comment went back to an earlier thread(s) where someone claimed there were differences etc etc etc But youre right - E B was making 1190cc motors out of the 1125 base for the past few years, so youre correct, it is possible. | ||
| Zac4mac |
wow Mr. Owens, you are the first person I've seen here(check my time her if you wish) get Court this riled. Please take your leave willingly and do some soul-searching before returning. You HAVE had useful and helpful input before, certainly not now. Not a moderator, I just live on the 1125 board as a plankholder. Zack | ||
| Anonymous |
Speculation is far from reality. Certainly if yo wanted to spend $25,000 to convert the motor it could be done (and it would cost that much). But the you need an exhaust system that will work with it, as well as new rads and oil coolers and hoses, and overflow tank in new location. And the rads need a new frame which you need anyhow for the new airbox, and of course the new wiring harness... It's a new motorcycle. A conversion would be like converting a C4 Corvette into a C5. Except there would be a lot less in common. Why all the fighting over something that is so clear and simple? | ||
| Ratbuell |
....because it's the internet, and everyone knows better. just ask 'em. they'll tell you.  | ||
| Cyclonedon |
WOW!!!!! I just stopped in this to see what's new and all I can say is WOW!!! Now I'm heading back to the Bid Bad & Dirty thread!  | ||
| Kinder |
Hey Annoy, The point raised was if the new 1190 engine is a modified (albeit heavily) modified version of the 1125 plant. Some say yes some say no. That's what you have walked into. On a more important note... Can you enlighten us as to the charging system modifications or new parts being used? I know many here would like to know that.  | ||
| Bigblock |
Well, I've been on this here board well over a decade, and met and dined with Court a time or two, and I must say(as one who has had agreements and disagreements with the Man) that I have never seen him in such a state! Methinks such animosity must be earned. Not that I have been following anyone in particular's thread count of positivity or otherwise. Just sayin'... | ||
| Jdugger |
I want to hear more about these Aluminum wheels. I thought the 1190RS used a cast Mg wheel, front and rear. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Pfffffftttttttttt | ||
| Fast1075 |
Making a rather large ASSUME based on the logic that the plans are going forward for OTHER models than the rs...it would be logical to believe that an aluminum version of the new wheels is in process..if not already available. | ||
| Davegess |
The 1190 motor is clearly a very much modified 1893 Daimler motor. Start with one of those and you can arrive at an 1190RS if you spend enough money. | ||
| Stirz007 |
I get it! My analogy - "So if I took a 307 small block, replaced heads, crank, main bearings, rods, pistons, lifters, cam, rockers, oil pump and a few other items, I could come up with a 3XX race motor? I could use the same block, but it would be so different that I'd be better off just buying a crate motor" .....Can we just put a bullet in this one? | ||
| Clarkjw |
Fwiw, My post contains actual quotes from Erik Buell Racing. Sometimes opening a dialogue leads to unforeseen opportunities... I'm speculating because most 1125 buyers aren't 1190 Potential customers. But, many of usstill want our bikes to look like that. Furthermore, we are quite loyal and have supported the brand. Harley f'd up, but where possible, those mistakes should be rectified. I'd hoped buell-parts and Pegasus would step up, but for numerous reasons, they haven't. Honestly, if had the CAD files, or even aceess to the parts, tail section conversions would already be on sale. 40k is too steep and NO ONE will sell me or rent me what I need. Anyhoo Aluminum wheels are available on the 1190RS for $2500 less that the mag wheel option. A partial conversion is totally feasible. | ||
| Fast1075 |
 Diz mohnsta haz da twelb-twenny-fo mota. makz too hunnerd hawz and toofiddy wid da nozz. | ||
| Ljm |
At the risk of sounding like, well, anyway... Most of us don't intend to convert our tubers to XB's, our XB's to 1125's and the same can be said of the next generation. That being said, we do like to upgrade and evolve them as we go. There may not be much on the 1190 that we can use, but the tinkerers will adapt where they can. I for one just want my 1125 to run a little like an 1190. I don't want it to be one. I'll buy my own when the time comes. By the same token, those of us with several generations of Buells want to keep them running and we are NOT that comfortable with Harley Davidson as our sole lifeline. I think I can speak for this group of people when I say we would like someone to step up and at least provide us with some expertise and help us find parts as our older bikes wear out. The alternative really is that a bunch of people in this riding community will dump their bikes and that would be unfortunate given the network that has developed here. There are a lot of alternatives out there and a customer lost may well be forever. My dad took me shopping in South Philadelphia when I was a kid. I learned from "Big Hearted Jim" that you never let a customer get out the door because once they do, they may well find that coat somewhere else and continue buying from them. | ||
| Sportster_mann |
My thoughts ? You can build a 1190 motor from an existing 1125 but you couldn't/wouldn't want to run it in a 1125 chassis. But it would be nice if the 1190 chassis parts that will fit the 1125 were made available - even if a little ingenuity was required. After all XB chassis parts have been made to fit - there are a few seat conversions out there, so it's not impossible if you're adept enough. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I'm curious about what they did to make the motor smoother and if it could be applied to the 1125. |
