| Author | Message | ||
     Buellitup |
...would the demand for an 1125 go up, raising its value? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Does it matter? I love riding mine, "value" be damned. I'm not gonna sell it. Just gotta insure it and enjoy it  | ||
| Sprintst |
No | ||
| Court |
Why? Are they related somehow? | ||
| Ohsoslow |
yeah...the person who designed the 1125 designed the 1190 thats relation enough for me.....will the value of 1125's go up?...probably not. | ||
| Froggy |
A billion years down the road, and Erik Buell Racing is the largest bike manufacturer in the world, there might be a higher collectible value to the Buells of the 80's, 90's, and 00's. Obviously it is just speculation, you never know what the future would hold. No, I ain't selling mine!  | ||
| Court |
I can't see the way the value of the 1125 would be impacted at all. I'd say the answer is no. | ||
| 1125rcya |
The value is 6k+ depending if your trading or selling. "in Indiana" if you put it up for sell any less than that it's your loss! | ||
| Trojan |
would the demand for an 1125 go up, raising its value? If anything it would probably be the exact opposite. People who previoulsy knew little/nothing about Buells will learn that Erik Buell now has no connection with the previous Buell company and that H-D no longer support the brand. This would probably cause people to doubt future spares supply and backup and so value will go down rather than up (this has already started to happen over here and 1125's are already cheaper to buy than XB's!). | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
yeah...the person who designed the 1125 designed the 1190 thats relation enough for me" So will some Harley products also increase in value? FXR? Hmmm, who worked on that...... What about HDs, I mean, definite relationship there, do you expect their value to rise even higher? No, it'd be silly to think you'll have a more valuable bike because the 1190 does well in racing/sales | ||
| Jules |
this has already started to happen over here and 1125's are already cheaper to buy than XB's I noticed that too.. but then again I suspect some of the XBs have bottomed out price wise and the initial depreciation on the 1125 was quite steep (the firesale didn't help). I notice that some of the 90s tubers command almost the same price as a 5 year old XB and that's within a stone's throw of a 2 year old 1125. I doubt the performance of sales of the 1190 will have any real impact on the 1125, but I think if it did, it would actually make them a little more desirable and a little more valuable... but not enough to make any apprecialble difference. Bear in mind that the majority of people still don't know what a Buell is (certainly here in the UK). Heck there's one on eBay right now where the guy describes it as having the same motor as a KTM RC8 and Aprillia (and he's a Buell owner!) | ||
| Sprintst |
the 1125R will be viewed as a corporate compromise that is flawed, and if the stator issue is never resolved, very flawed the 1190R will be viewed as the pure work of Erik, and if there is ever a everyman's version, it would be the one a Buell fan would want | ||
| Trojan |
the 1190R will be viewed as the pure work of Erik, and if there is ever a everyman's version, it would be the one a Buell fan would want I agree, with the proviso that the reliability issues on the 1125 don't migrate or that the 1190 will get mired by association. (Yes, I have read the threads here on this subject but a lot of prospective purchasers won't have). Not only do the problems have to be 100% fixed but they need to make sure customers know that the fix is done and exactly what the fix is. remember it isn't just existing Buell fans that this bike and its successors have to sell to | ||
| Tpoppa |
remember it isn't just existing Buell fans that this bike and its successors have to sell to True. And outside of the people on this forum, few understand that Buell is not the same company as Erik Buell Racing. | ||
| Ohsoslow |
So will some Harley products also increase in value? FXR? Hmmm, who worked on that...... What about HDs, I mean, definite relationship there, do you expect their value to rise even higher? No, it'd be silly to think you'll have a more valuable bike because the 1190 does well in racing/sales re read my post, and then read the post above it.....you completely missed my point. | ||
| Nuts4mc |
...it's gonna rain Friday - Ohio in July is kinda muggy(but not as bad as August!)- hopefully they'll try the track out on the 1125 before they take out the 1190...would hate to hear the 1190 is off the track and stuck up to it's axles in buckeye mud...patience is the companion of wisdom - good luck back there! | ||
| Ohsoslow |
i was waiting for someone to suggest that could happen.  | ||
| Dnlink |
My guess is we havent seen the last of the 1125 engine. 1190 engines are hand built out of 1125's and that being done in a reasonably priced production bike......highly unlikley. | ||
| Sprintst |
No, not to the level of the 1190, but I'll bet it will be an 1190 with much of the tech, just some more reasonable parts | ||
| Hughlysses |
No, not to the level of the 1190, but I'll bet it will be an 1190 with much of the tech, just some more reasonable parts The cost difference in a production-built 1190 vs. an 1125 with the same quality of parts would be practically zero. The key is "production-built". Right now, Erik Buell Racing takes a complete 1125 engine, disassembles it by hand, throws away the cams, rods, pistons, valves, springs, and miscellaneous other parts. They send the cylinders out to be bored out. Then they purchase and install new top-shelf pistons, rods, valves, cams, springs, etc. and reassemble the engine. That's probably close to $1000 of parts that get discarded, a lot of hours of meticulous labor, the cost of re-machining cylinders, and the cost of top-shelf replacement parts OVER the cost of a production engine. Even if the same exact 1190-specific parts are used, the price of building the same spec 1190 engine on a production line would be MUCH cheaper than what it's costing for the 1190RS. | ||
| 46champ |
I have a question??? When an 1125 is turned into an 1190 what happens to the vin # on the engine cases? Does it grow a second vin #? Or does this bike not have matching #'s? Or is the old # obliterated and a new # stamped on the cases? | ||
| Jdugger |
The motors do not have VINs from the rotax factory. That was done at the Buell plant. | ||
| Court |
Rotax builds a motor and can not issue a VEHICLE identification number. | ||
| Froggy |
All VINs are done at the factory where the vehicle is assembled, regardless of brand. Same applies to cars and everything else with wheels. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Bicycle? Roller Skates? | ||
| Froggy |
Correct. | ||
| Blake |
Hugh, >>> The cost difference in a production-built 1190 vs. an 1125 with the same quality of parts would be practically zero. The key is "production-built". That statement is based on a false assumption, at least I hope it is. I sure hope that even the mass production 1190 models by definition include new advanced quality parts and higher quality parts than the 1125. Not knocking the 1125, but I hope Erik Buell Racing targets the next notch up in the market, not the $12K superbike segment. I hope it sells for at least $16K. Tpoppa, >>> And outside of the people on this forum, few understand that Buell is not the same company as Erik Buell Racing. We've discussed this in another thread, but it bears repeating here. That is complete and utter baloney. I dare to to pose the question in a poll as you have stated and find the results anywhere near what you imagine. Is Erik Buell Racing the same company as Buell Motorcycle Company? Anyone who answers "yes" to that question is utterly ignorant of Buell motorcycles and Erik Buell Racing or a is moron. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Blake "is utterly ignorant of Buell motorcycles and Erik Buell Racing " People didnt know about Buells when they are around, yes, they will be confused on teh situation when they see a bike with the word on it. Or even 'worse' - when people put Erik Buell Racing stickers on their Buells - are they morons then? I've seen quite a few BMC products with Erik Buell Racing stickers put on them, yes, this will confuse people. You need to learn to not be so quick to call names. Not everyone knows about Buell/Erik Buell Racing, and thats fine, but no need to call them morons for not knowing | ||
| Therealassmikeg |
Maybe uneducated would have been a better choice of words. | ||
| 01xjbuell |
so.... should I take the Erik Buell Racing sticker and logo off of my '08 1125R? That sucks, I liked the new logo too.... |
