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Blake
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 06:47 pm: | 
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Glad it worked out. |
Clutchreaper
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 07:15 pm: |
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...and they all lived happily ever after.
THE END! |
Black
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 07:32 pm: |
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Ok. So can we kill this thread now? |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:34 am: |
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"Just got off phone with Michael at Erik Buell Racing. He told me they no longer offer engine braking on their ECM's for a few reasons (I didn't ask and he didn't say)"
If that's the case, then the value of my $250 EB R Barker ECM with engine braking enabled just went up.. probably significantly. I'm glad I ordered an ECM when I did!
Seriously though, it boggles my mind that EB R will no longer offer the stock engine braking option on their ECMs. The other stuff I can understand not offering, because it's kind of nit picky and doesn't have a significant effect on how the motorcycle rides, but the reduced engine braking makes a huge (negative, IMO) difference. I think the "we aren't going to offer any options" is sort of a knee-jerk response to too many people asking for too many changes.
Actually, I've got an idea. Presumably EB R is not offering the various ECM options because of the added time required to implement them. Why spend a half hour customzing an ECM when you get paid the same amount whether it's customized or not, right? BUT.. why not offer the customizing options at a charge per option? It could be $25 per variable that a user wants changed from the base tune. Want stock engine braking? Add $25. Want to change when the fans come on? Add another $25.
This way people can still get what they want and EB R gets compensated for its employees' time. What do you guys think? |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:45 am: |
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The are NO programmers there. This could be an automated process.
Thefleshrocket - cafeteria pricing is a great idea. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:16 am: |
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They already do offer a higher price unit if you want to do your own custom setup. In fact, they offered it from day 1. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:42 am: |
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pretty big jump from 250 to 750 there froggy |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 01:26 pm: |
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Pretty big (HUGE) jump in programmability, too. At $25 per custom item...the $500 nets you twenty items you can customize.
The rest of the parameters? You can customize them for FREE.
And I don't think it's a matter of "upcharges" for custom parameters. Its time, plain and simple. Time and manpower. Doesn't matter how much you charge a customer....unless your name is H.G. Wells, it's not gonna buy you more time. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:08 pm: |
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Dannybuell:
>>> The are NO programmers there.
Is that statement as solid as your "surely they tested with the added weight" comment earlier?  |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:08 pm: |
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Who I wonder is performing the programming for the race bikes? |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 08:19 pm: |
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I cannot imagine weight issues would be a surprise the day after the regulations were released. Was the minimum weight published in this seasons rule book or was this a late announcement?
Looking for competitive advantage is as old as the hills, they call it racing. Plain and simple, companies with heavier bikes are being protected.
The guy running the race tuning software or the guy that wrote the race tuning software?
(Message edited by dannybuell on July 12, 2011) |
Buellrider66
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 08:37 pm: |
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4.2 Displacement Capacities and Weight Limits
a. Minimum weight in the exact condition the machine finishes any
competition activity (qualifying or race) without the addition of fluids
or other items of any kind:
i. 4 cylinder 370 pounds
ii. 2 cylinder 380 pounds
b. Displacement capacities:
i. 4 cylinders 749cc up to 1000 cc 4-stroke.
ii. 2 cylinders 901cc up to 1200 cc 4-stroke
Copied out the AMA Rule book. CHanges in other parts of the book have been Struck through and hilighted.} |
Kinder
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 04:05 pm: |
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FYI Update: I did speak with Michael @ Erik Buell Racing and he not only was able to get what I asked for it was sent out same day rush per my request. He even got one of the tech guys to call me to answer a couple questions I had about the ECM tune AFR values.
All ended well!  |
Htekwo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 04:40 pm: |
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Has anyone ever tried a 'Standalone' ECM for these bikes? I use one on my ahem...Street car. It is really pretty stupid when you first start the tuning process. You have to tell it everything to do as far as running the engine. The upside, is it allows for infinite adjustability of the engine parameters based on feedback from various sensors (some stock, some proprietary). You would never have to worry about sending your ECM in for an off-the-shelf tune. Your tune is yours, and it's custom to your bike, and atmospheric conditions. Don't like how something is running, change it (at your own risk of course...lol).
http://www.electromotivestore.com/engine-managemen t/electromotive-tecgt-ecu.php |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 04:47 pm: |
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or for $1k less you can buy the ecm and software from Erik. granted you can't move the buell ecm to any other vehicles but for saving a grand i am good with that |
1_mike
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 06:52 pm: |
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Just a thought...
"Engine braking" does one thing that's hard on engines.
It puts a lot of "weak side" stress on the rods, the wrist pins and the pistons, not to mention the bearings.
Has there been many rod or piston failures out there in "racing" or "engine experimentation" land..?
Mike |
D_adams
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 07:29 pm: |
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quote:Who I wonder is performing the programming for the race bikes?
I got a pretty good idea who it is, but I ain't tellin. |
Yugi
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 08:02 pm: |
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quote:FYI Update: I did speak with Michael @ Erik Buell Racing and he not only was able to get what I asked for it was sent out same day rush per my request. He even got one of the tech guys to call me to answer a couple questions I had about the ECM tune AFR values.
So did you get engine braking? |
Kinder
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 12:09 am: |
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Yugi; yes I did. And it does. |
