| Author | Message | ||
     Freezerburn840 |
Maybe this has been mentioned before and do apologize for bringing it up if it has. I know a lot of people like to use this test as a basis or a justification to purchase Amsoil products. I dont doubt they have a good quality oil. However this test is a little misleading. A true unbiased test was the one conducted by Sport Rider Magazine whom does not have any affiliation with any oil brand. Once again I am not bashing Amsoil by any means. I have seen the blackstone reports that show most of the time their oil performs well. The test conducted by Sport Rider does show proof that automotive oils are different than motorcycle oils. A lot of us already know this. The one test that caught my eye was the 4 ball wear test. The one that Amsoil likes to praise themselves for. Check Sport Rider's findings on a Car oil, Mobil 1 4xt and Amsoil's 10w40. http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_oil/index. html | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
What I took out of that test is that Mobil1's car and bike oils both work really well in bikes. | ||
| Petethekiller |
I use amsoil in every vehicle I own have had zero complaints but with that said, the mobile one v-twin oil is a very good product. I feel that I can't give their automotive oils the same praise. | ||
| Scraejtp |
The company I work for is in their article. (SwRI)  Not a big deal, but it is fun to see things like that. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Pete, the Mobil1 automotive oils test just about as well as the motorcycle oils. What makes you say you don't like Mobil1's automotive oils? | ||
| Petethekiller |
Back in my oval track days we used mobile 1 in our engines, we saw a lot of scarring on our main and rod bearings. Being a race engine we just would thought iit was the norm....later we switched to amsoil per our engine builders request. The results were rather impressive. We noticed a visible decrease in wear and scaring on our engine components. After that we started using their racing grease in our wheel bearings as well and they began lasting almost twice as many races. I don't have facts and figures to show you,... Just my results of using it. | ||
| Chadhargis |
 An oil thread....someone's thinking with their dipstick. | ||
| Homer007 |
When I was an amsoil dealer, we were encouraged to create as many accounts on as many forums as we can. Pretending to be consumers, we would write about our “great” experiences with the oil. We would also be encouraged to put in links to many “independent” websites and studies showing the virtues of amsoil. Of course, those websites were either owned or affiliated with amsoil in one way or another. The oil itself is not bad but their marketing is somewhat sleazy… | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
That really is a good article. My take away from that is still the same. All modern synthetics are pretty kick a$$, and it really doesn't matter which one you pick. R | ||
| Petethekiller |
Homer....who encouraged you to do that? I found that my customers find me, not the other way around. I can see how some might think the Amsoil's marketing might be sleezy as it is a bit different that your typical on the self retail type marketing scheme. When it comes down to it though, people who use the product like it and that's what sells it. I have been using the stuff for about 12-14 years now, I do not go out of my way to make a sale. Should somebody come to me and ask about the product I do what I can to give them the information they are asking for. It pretty much sells itself by reputation. Locally, the HD guys love the stuff, it gets hot here in the summer...their bikes overheat. Somebody asked if they could try the Amsoil MC oil and loved it...it spread like wild fire here in a local bike chapter (the type of guys you dont want to mess with). They say their bikes run cooler on the hottest of days. Like Homer mentioned, I dont think there is any issue on weather or not it is a good product or not. For me, it sells by reputation, not marketing. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
I am a T-1 Certified Amsoil dealer and I have never heard of this "sleazy" marketing mentioned above. Amsoil's dealer marketing material is very general and makes no suggestions to do anything other than mainstream, common-practice marketing techniques. Amsoil leaves it completely up to individual dealers- which is why you'll see many different types of marketing. Amsoil corporate is quite pro-active when it comes to protecting their reputation, be it from outside or inside the company- dealers are subject to disciplinary action if they do things that are detrimental to Amsoil's good name. I am very proud to be associated with an honest, straight-forward, and positive company like Amsoil- and the fact that they have a superior product ain't too bad either. | ||
| Bettybuell |
I teach automotive and was at the SEMA show this fall. I talked to the Mobil rep for quite some time. I asked about ZDDP because it has been reduced as a mandate by the EPA. The issue is mostly break in on flat tappet auto cams. He commented that in the old days the race Mobil 1 for NASCAR and the like was exactly what was sold to the public. Not so any longer (thanks EPA) but if you contact the Mobil Race department (he said) you can still buy the good stuff. Or, you can buy the Motorcycle oil which hasn't had the same mandate as car oil. It is different and it is better for bikes. I also was at an oil break out seminar at SEMA and learned that the car makers want thinner and thinner oils to improve fuel mileage but it is a real challenge for the oil makers because thinner oil doesn't lubricate as well. They are able to formulate oils that are thin and meet the durability requirements but it isn't easy. I conclude that a little thicker like 10-40 vs 5-30 may take a little power away but makes the engine last a little longer. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Absolutely Bettybuell! You should always use the heaviest weight oil approved by the manufacturer for the lowest ambient temperature you will operate your vehicle in. The lower the viscosity, the quicker an oil will "thin-out" at higher temps/pressures- and that results in less protection when you really need it. | ||
| Hildstrom |
It's been mentioned before: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1664834#POST1664834 "I questioned the validity of the AMSOIL study since they make oil and ranked themselves first in the results summary tables. I read the study and compared many of the individual test results to the independent test results obtained by Sport Rider and things matched up fairly well considering the 6 year difference. I also compared many of their automotive test numbers to some other independent testing I found online and noticed good correlation. AMSOIL motorcycle oils do not win every individual test in their study, but their oils place very well in all of the tests, so I think the high overall score in the results summary is warranted. I also feel that the independent testing supports the AMSOIL study." No, I'm not an AMSOIL dealer. |
