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Captain_america
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 05:33 pm: | 
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Awesome! I wish I was an Anonymous!!!! |
Froggy
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 05:59 pm: |
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You can be, just don't do drugs and stay in school! 
(Or just click the box below, but you risk facing my wrath ) |
Knthorne
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:18 pm: |
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Anonymous
I had the carbon canister installed on my 08R. The dripping is gone, but now the gas smell is even stronger. The whole airbox reeks of it. Also if I make a really fast stop some where, it really hesitates to start back up. Which was never an issue before the can was installed. Any ideas? |
Captain_america
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:22 pm: |
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I don't want to mess with people, I just want the knowledge!!
Obviously you know who the anony guys are anyway... |
Aeholton
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:28 pm: |
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As for the fuel smell and fuel dripping, the single simplest thing that can be done with an existing bike is to install the carbon cansister. There have never been complaints of either from California 1125R or CR riders.
Now that it is in the 80's here in FL I'm seeing 210*F CT and 128*F AT in stop and go traffic. I am experiencing strong gas smells when I arrive home. Even with the carbon canister I installed back in November or December.
I also installed some DEI cool tape on the inside of the frame where I could reach with the airbox off. It has not made any noticeable difference. I would be interested in the Pyrogel and wrapping the headers but my guess it would be an expensive proposition getting the dealer to do it, since I am not inclined to rotate the engine myself. I wish it was a service bulletin covered by warranty. I can see now that it is going to be a long hot summer. |
Nickg
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:56 pm: |
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thank you, I really do like this bike. I think that the surging is a lean setup..I am gonna get the race ecm when i get a few $ ..I'd rather spend my $ with the guy who's name is on the bike than taker it to Harley |
03fatboy
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:57 pm: |
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I am used to riding air cooled lumps aka HD Fatboy, and it is much hotter than the 25r, but because of the tank arrangement it doesn't boil the fuel. My 25r has boiled it a few times looks like tea time when you take the cap off. I guess you are lucky enough Redbat to not get that. It is hot for sure but still doesn't wipe the smile off my face after whipping it like a red headed step child. |
Blackstripes
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 07:16 pm: |
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wow, if the 09's are better than the 08's, i feel bad for the owners of 08's! My leg is still red after spending a couple of hrs next to the frame.
If Aeholton's tape didn't work, i guess the real solution is a lot more involved. I guess i can always try the Erik Buell Racing's ECM .. sounds like a good excuse |
Thunderbike
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:02 pm: |
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Truth be told.I had my '08 1125r for 6,000 mi.I've had the '09 for 1,300 mi.and the '08 did'nt get anywhere near as hot as the '09.
danny |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:21 pm: |
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I am told by friends who are NASCAR fans, that NASCAR racers ceramic coat all types of engine parts, anything they want to keep heat away from. Wouldn't a ceramic or jet-hot coated frame and headers just about do it all? |
Pittsburgh_guy
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:15 pm: |
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375 is the quote from JetHot for the upper frame. 250.00 for the headers back to the can.(There is an additional fee for stripping of some material that will be determined when they receive it  )
10 business days from the time they get it. plus 7 calendar ship back. Just for those of you wondering.
Still have the brochures and quote from them.. Best thing to do is give them a call.
800-432-3379 x2024 Order Line |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:22 pm: |
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That could be a business in itself, strip coat and re-assemble. |
Redbat
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:29 pm: |
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Well guy's, all I can say is, I have never heard or seen the fuel boil in my frame. (And I have checked often.) This is even after crossing a desert in Arizona last July for two hrs. (The outside air temp was 105 degrees) By the way, at the time I was still running the stock ECM. I have since installed the Erik Buell Racing pump gas ECM. As most have stated, my coolant temps have also dropped considerably. I'm just sorry to hear how many of you are having heat related fuel issues. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:04 pm: |
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quote:Well guy's, all I can say is, I have never heard or seen the fuel boil in my frame.
Neither have I, and I got two 1125s. My bikes don't run as hot as others report, and they are low on coolant. |
Babboo
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:10 am: |
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It was 110 deg the day I picked up my brand new Cr. When I got home she was venting so badly that I took the Fuel cap off thinking it would relieve what I thought was just fuel pressure. That was the first time I have experienced or seen fuel boiling. If I had'nt seen it with my own eyes, well you know..
The frame was too hot to even touch & took 4 hours to cool down.
My first impressions of this bike - WTF have I bought! |
Trafford
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:52 am: |
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My fuel only boiled when it was low in the frame. So if I stop for a coffee etc or parked in my garage after a run then it started to boil. Those of you who have not noticed it probably are filling up the tank and moving on or not hanging around in the garage after a hot run with low fuel level. Anyway since I lined the frame with thermotec 2000 degree insulation I have not heard boiling.......so it seems to be fixed now. |
Trafford
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:59 am: |
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Knthorne - Don't use the front injector connector for the carbon can pipe!!
This will cause hot starting issues. Vent the pipe into the airbox.....it works great and no fumes on my bike any more.
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Knthorne
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:21 am: |
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Mine was done at the dealer. I'll have to check and see how they routed it. |
Pwillikers
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:08 am: |
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Trafford, you have an '09 r. Wasn't your frame already lined? Did you remove the existing lining and install more or higher quality insulation. Please describe what you've done. Pictures?
It's clear to me that the objective here should be to keep the heat from entering the frame in the first place. It's no surprise that effective and complete frame insulation, header heat wrap and maybe ceramic coating are the top contenders. It'd be helpful to assemble a faq of recommendations and empirical evidence from those who've had success. |
Trafford
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 01:54 pm: |
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Pwillikers- It is a Jan 08 Bought new in Feb this year. I got a California Carbon can on Ebay and put it in the space for it under the seat. The pipe from the frame/tank goes to the inlet on the can with the outlet second pipe on the can going to the hole I made in the airbox with the pipe a push fit through the hole as shown in the picture. The front injector fitting of course takes all fuel fumes or liquid to only the front injector under the butterfly. I did not see this as a good design feature and realised it was a quick fix for Cali bikes. So I take the vapor into the full airbox in a postion that ensures both cylinders dispose of the vapor/fuel. I lined the frame without removing more than the airbox. Took about 60 mins inc reassembly.
(Message edited by trafford on May 04, 2010) |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 03:41 pm: |
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It's very unlikely you're going to find a higher quality insulation than the one Buell used on the inside for the frame; it has the highest insulating value for its thickness of anything currently on the market, and by a factor of 2 to 3 times. Check out the Aspen Aerogels website if you want more information. You could, however, benefit by installing it, or another insulation, over more of the inner surface of the frame. |
Milt
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:01 pm: |
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Pyrogel-XT ? |
Unique_id
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:05 pm: |
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http://www.aerogel.com/products/overview.html
2mm Pyrogel 2250 |
Milt
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:13 pm: |
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Thanks. Very, very neat. |
Black
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 07:15 pm: |
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Took mine out this weekend. It was 92 ambient and way hotter on the road. I almost felt like I had a great big V-twin engine and an exhaust system between my legs. It was hot in stop and go city traffic. It ran like a top though ,and I was very pleased. If you want to try hot for real, try an X-1 on a hot day in city traffic. I always carry a big fork so I can see when my right thigh is done. Haha. |
Bueller4ever
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 07:43 pm: |
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I've seen my fuel boil, scary. |
Black
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:07 pm: |
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that your fuel didn't boil. Maybe I'm fortunate, mine never has. I'm told that the boiling point of gasoline is anywhere from 100 degrees to 400 degrees depending upon the additives in the gasoline. It may be more of a problem for the particular fuel blend than it is a Buell frame heat problem. Any petroleum engineers out there that can tell us more? |
Nickg
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:42 pm: |
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black..the RVP of the fuel you have in Az is gonna be alot different than the RVP we have in the North East or any of the states mixing E blends. Our fuel in NJ is "alledgely" E10...but in reality it is much more like E20
It boils at a lower temp than the fuel used in warmer climates as a rule otherwise it would not work as well as it could. Seasonal blends are the rule, NOT the exception. We still have a blend that will work best in lower ambient temps than we have seen recently here |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:04 pm: |
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I had no idea anyone was actually using aerogel in a production application. I guess I shouldn't be surprised it is Buell! Somebody at Harley must have missed the chance to quash it. 
Cool stuff. Does that make the frame bullet proof also? |
Mountainstorm
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 12:07 am: |
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Is there some way to order that material through HD/Buell? Is there a part number for the frame insulation? It appears that Aspen Aerogel sells to industry, not individuals. Just trying to figure out how to get my hands on some.
Thanks in advance.
Great info in this thread. JetHot would be a worthy investment for the headers. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 09:29 pm: |
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Mountainstorm why HD why not e-s-b selling the stuff rather than pass it on as anon? Make a package with all the templates precut, tape and a few paint sticks as applicators. I'd buy it.
(Message edited by dannybuell on May 06, 2010) |
