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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unless you like Oak Tree Bark texture...hoo boy.

Been tinkering with the stock muffler since it's just sitting there in the shop. Decided to strip it to bare metal and paint it. Well it's painted...

Filed under Shoulda Coulda Woulda sprayed the first coat.

Annnnnnd Black Velvet does not sand well at all...at least not after air drying a few hours. I sprayed a second coat in hopes that against all odds it would fill in the brush marks...but it's still rough as a cob.

I'm going to try curing it with a hair dryer...seems like appropriate penance for screwing up about 6 hours of sandblasting and sanding. Maybe it will sand out a bit better and I can try for a final decent looking coat with the spray gun and redeem myself.

The dang muffler is already ugly as sin but somehow my brush marks make it even uglier.

I'd post pics but FresnoBuell is probably eating...wouldn't want him to throw up.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd post pics but FresnoBuell is probably eating...wouldn't want him to throw up.

What did you cutoff your fingers and want to post it? You are joking right? If not, let me clarify, I think it's in extremely bad taste to post pics of mangled body parts without warning. that's all.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about mangled paint jobs? : p

I went after it with a hair dryer...hot air gun is dead. It did make the paint a bit better to sand, but still not exactly what I had in mind.

I sprayed a final coat and I guess it is what it is.

While I was in tinkeritus mode I made a deflector and screwed it to the tips. The nicest thing about the HMF is having a clean rear wheel. Not sure if my 85 cent rinky dink concoction will do what I want but if it sucks I'll just take it off.

Or run over it.

Photobucket is uploading pics...but my internet is slooooow.

(Message edited by MountainStorm on May 02, 2010)
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



The whole time I was stripping the thing I kept thinking...damn they sure put a lot of engineering into this ugly can.


Why oh why did I think I could brush this stuff on?

Hey it worked : p


One thing I actually did right was masking the tips...they were really sloppy from the factory.


As long as I keep moving no one will see those brush marks.


This area was really rusty and scrofulent before.


My invention...I'm gonna make a fortune off these suckers. On eBay.




A real work of art...worth every penny...I think it cost 14 of them : D

Think it will work to keep the crud off the rim?
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Daniii
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should have used a roller.


just sayin...
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I should have used the sprayer laying there on the table...which I did for the last coats. If I had sprayed from the beginning it would have looked about as nice as it could get. Which isn't saying much.

A roller would have a hard time on all those brackets and other tight spots, but even with a roller I usually tip off with a brush. The Foam brushes just melt in high solvent paint...so I would have been back to brushmarks at least in the tight spots.

Spray FTW
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Dktechguy112
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that bracket is interesting, i would worry about it snapping off due to the pressure of the exhaust gas, and it think it will definitely need to be cleaned frequently, but its a lot cheaper then getting the exhaust tips.
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Nxtr
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

POR 15 doesn't play well with hot and dry. believe it or not it dries way faster when its is hot and humid. On a side note it is some damn good stuff just don't get it on your skin, since the only thing that will remove it is time, or removal of coated layer of skin...

V/R,
Nick
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Dktechguy112
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

are you going to paint the headers? I think the headers would look bada$$ if painted black.
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Bob_saggot
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A roller? A paintbrush! wtf were you thinking lol. But yea man nice work. Looks good. Should be interesting to see what it looks like installed.

(Message edited by Bob_Saggot on May 03, 2010)
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok so i'd love to see pics of the collector section after a good long ride
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks! You inspired me to pick up a can of Krylon BBQ grill hi-temp tonight instead. : )

KeS
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98s1lightning
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going to mod my stock tips and then sell the muffler. I will do a VERY nice job on as thats just how it is. If theres any interest please let me know. What I plan on doing is cutting the stock tips off and then turning them about 45 degrees out. Feel free to call me @ 661 979 O711, thanks.
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Freight_dog
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, it's really not that bad at all and better than stock. I kinda like it and like you say, no one will notice while you are on the move. Just remember to park next to the rat bikes at Bike Night.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the comments guys. I'll be writing that phone number on every piss stall I see.

For BJ call (661) 979 O711

(Message edited by MountainStorm on May 03, 2010)

(Message edited by MountainStorm on May 03, 2010)
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@Bob

Should be interesting to see what it looks like installed

Interesting as in Train Wreck interesting : p

My deflector makes those BlackFlash tips look real good right about now don't it : D

(Message edited by MountainStorm on May 03, 2010)
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The saga continues.

I mounted the repainted muffler today and apparently I put too much paint on it because it immediately puffed up like an old puffy toad. It's pretty much my most amazing failure to date regarding "improving" the 1125r.

Got a vid uploaded...it'll tell the tale.


I beat on the deflector part some more and reshaped it so it looked less like a piece of aluminum angle and more like a motorcycle part. Seems to work. At least it did not fall off. I can see that the swingarm is going to get scunged...but perhaps the brake and rim will be spared the filth storm.

Warning the following pics may cause strong emotional reactions including but not limited to derisive laughter and or rectal bleeding. View at your own risk.







So of course I sanded all the bad spots off and I'm getting ready to mask of the area and spray it with some Rustoleum High Heat (2000F) and see if that works.
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Craiga
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That sucks man, I also had a problem with the Rustoleum High Heat (2000F) so be careful with that. I used it on my headers, they did not like it so it flaked off. Good luck.
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Thurstonbuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountainstorm ,

Your a mountain of a man ! displaying your results on video all to see on the WIDE WORLD of WEB .

I feel your pain , having had similar results , one moment your filled with excitement and your bikes looking HOT , the next your blowing chunks , going to the closet to get you .45 magnu.... never mind .

At the same time appreciate your sharing with others , so others can hopefully avoid the same .

That really does suck , I know how good mine looked till i started it up , I must have tried 4 different kinds of paint , then I made my belly pan .
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Lovedabueller
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that muffler looks like a fat womans ass in a bathing suit......
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Worse lol.

Well the good thing is the puffy stuff came off easily. And the Black Velvet that did not puff up stuck pretty nice and sanded down well enough to feather in the Rustoleum. I surehope the Rustoleum works...I have no idea.

I am glad I put that deflector on there because the residual sand in the muffler from sandblasting etched the heck out of it. With no deflector I would have been blasting the swingarm and rims...and then I would be a sad Panda.

As a side note the bike runs really good with the Race ECM and stock muffler. It idles smoothly. WIth the HMF it would surge and almost seem like it would miss a beat every other surge. I road my usual backroad twisties and was getting the same feel and accelleration from the bike. What I did notice is I have grown used to the staccato report of the HMF and I guess that soundtrack is synchronized with the way I ride so at first I was like...something is missing...then I was like...mmmmmm Im enjoying this even more : D

Must be getting old because I actually like the bike better without all the extra noise from the pipe. Buell did a good job with the stock can function-wise, even if it is a bit fugly.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been Rattling my S1 D&D for over a decade 2 or 3x a year using Home Depot Stove Pipe paint. It is good enough.

Surface prep is everything. If it isn't clean it won't stick. Heat makes paint flow, put a heat lamp on the target for 30 minutes. A hair dryer shows understanding of concept but not nearly good enough for the task.

The first coat has to be a dusting, absolutely lightest possible. Allow plenty of time for each coat to 'gas' out and dry. Slowly build up with each successive coat.

If some paint sticks well next to where it bubbled that be a surface prep issue wouldn't it?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, if nothing else, we got a good laugh out of it. Go big or stay home! : )

Thanks for the information!
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Geforce
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountain... I hate to admit it but when I clicked on the video I just couldn't stop laughing... Thank you for posting this so we learn from your misery.

As a side note... I think you Buell may have the "herp"... Didn't we warn you about hanging out with your Buell on the wrong side of town? All it takes is one nasty girl to give ya the gift that keeps on giving.

*Joking aside... good luck with your next project and thanks for having a good sense of humor!
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have redeemed myself! Took many sweaty hours but the Rustoleum worked fine.

Surface prep was not the issue. I spent the better part of a day sandblasting the muffler. I just layed down too much paint. It gassed out when the can heated up. I agree the hair dryer was ot hot enough to get the job done but it's what I had to work with that evening.

I took more care in heat curing the paint this time, only running the engine a few minutes at first and then a little longer and so on and finally took it out for a scoot and all is well...for now : D

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Mountainstorm
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Dannybuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sandblasting and keeping hands off helps too!

looks fresh. smoke cycle curing! :-)
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Bob_saggot
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

lol that's hilarious man in the first video. it's like "it's alive!" good to see you got it to work. It's late and have to work all the time so didn't read all the comments.
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Captain_america
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 02:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountain, Is your swing arm discolored from the exhaust?
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah a little. But not near as bad as it was before the HMF. The HMF did keep stuff off it for the most part. You might be seeing road dust (here in VA the soil is orange).
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Fast1075
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a permanent cure for rusty muffler syndrome...and only one permanent cure....ceramic coat...do it once and forgeddaboutit.. and if it gets dirty...a light buff with fine steel wool restores the finish....
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hear that. And it improves the gas flow by keeping the heat in the exhaust gas. One of these days. Maybe when I get a custom exhaust from Dean Adams.
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