| Author | Message | ||
     Rockstarblast1 |
Well here's the delema. I need to find a shop to give me a dyno run cheap I wanna see my baseline and a/f ratio. Then puttin my pipe on and do another run see where I'm at. The ebr race ecm is pretty cheap but now iv heard a FEW cases where power has been lost  really bummin.. but then there is the other guys tune. I know its some what frownd upon here but in all reality I live in ohio, he doesn't live far from me, and the hand full of times I met him he knew his stuff and was a nice guy. AND after you get his stuff u can go back in a mess with it yourself. Ebr wants 750 bucks to do that. But the down side is I have rode a bike with his tune (for over 2 weeks) it was a stock bike and ran much better but it liked to stall and didn't always wanna start. Idk if it was the tune or just the bike I was on had issues. What's everyones opinions who have a tune or ecm | ||
| Tbowdre |
I bought the EBR ECM, I love it, more power? probably not according to my ass dyno. But the bike seems happier, smoother and best part is I know where my money went... Sorry, I truly know nothing. BUT... i DO know that THIS is quite the question..... who will start? (Message edited by tbowdre on March 08, 2010) | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
IMO, the Ohio guy charges way too much for what is basically a one-size-fits-all canned tune. If that $300+ paid for him to sell you that tune AND spend some time tweaking it on the dyno for your bike, it would be worth it. Pretty much everybody who has tried the EBR ECM agrees that the bike rides much better than stock. There is some debate about a/f ratios and horsepower numbers, and the ECM can't be modified by the end user, but that $250 buys you something you can hold in your hand that has actual dollar value. If you ever sell your bike, you can switch back to the stock ECM and sell the EBR ECM to recoup a good percentage of your costs. If you're unsure about the EBR ECM, see if you can find a local shop that will custom dyno tune your bike. I can't imagine that an hour or two of dyno time would cost as much as the EBR ECM or the Ohio guy's tune. | ||
| Froggy |
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| 1_mike |
I'm using the guy from Ohio's program and "so far" using my "natural dyno". While it did take me some time to learn the workings...I'm very close to a good set of maps (timing and fuel). Faster, slightly better milage, better drivability, better heat control. You just have to be willing to learn it, "play" with it. I also know a guy who bought the EBR, ($250) ECM. He's VERY happy with it. So there you have it...one happy with a do it yourself and one happy with a purchased part. If I had it to do over...not exactly sure...but may go with the purchased part. Though...I do like to play and learn... Mike | ||
| Blake |
For the street, I'd not want any kind of ECM tune that ignores the O2 sensors or requires me to fiddle with it. The EBR tune is proven. One guy reportedly, after folks paid him to run a dyno plot pre-ECM change, got a goofed up ECM out of hundreds and commenced telling the world that the product was garbage. Not sure what happened there in the end, but his credibility was shot at that point for me, so I'd ignore that data point, what we who make serious use of statistics call an "outlier." Kinda like hearing about the guy who didn't enjoy his honeymoon. You know it happened, but based on all information it is so rare and unlikely, it's just not worth considering. | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
Well I don't wanna play and blow something up, esp seeing I don't have a dyno in my garage to play on. But running smoother with the ebr ecm is great and idc if I gain power but to LOOSE power and get a close to 16:1a/f is insane and I'm not tryin to blow my bike up.. I wanna help mr buell and his company and for sure will email them (and its cheaper!!!! That's always a plus) I was half tempted to send him a chat on facebook lol he's always on at night. As for dave. When he first started he was doing it on a dyno at my local dealer. He's doesn't do that anylonger. He told me back then he was making a tune for each pipe and if someone had a k&n or not, idk if that is the case now. Now with this race ecm. Does it marry itself to the bike like the stock one? Does it still keep track of your miles when swiching back and forth? Its really between these two or say screw it and get a steering damper. And as of right now the steering damper isn't a big debate like this  Also sorry froggy I know it is opening a can of worms, lol I don't need everyone to start a fight I just want to know who has what and what they think of it, and from there make a decision. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I've got about 1000 miles on my EBR ECM andcould not be more pleased with the results. There is so much more to it than WOT Dyno runs, peak HP and torque, or what other metric people use to gauge "success" with the ECM. Not only is my bike a helluva lot more fun to ride now, it sounds better, runs cooler, has more finesse at the throttle and accellerates stronger. I could care less about what other people are posting I can tell from my 27 years of wrenching and riding if a machine is happy. My bike is happy. Lean? I don't think so. The tail pipe has a nice deposit of carbon on it. What you chose to do depends a lot on how deep your pockets are and how much you like dicking around getting some thing to work right. There is no such thing as a cheap Dyno session. Depending on the skill of the operator it could take all day to get the desired results...or longer. My guys charge $65 and hour. I don't have that kind of play fund. Plug and Play was the only option that made sense for me. | ||
| Redliner172 |
I have the Jardine Pro-tune 3. Im using the Jardine base map which includes the Filter and the Jardine exhaust (which I have). I like it, it runs better, sounds better and I havent even had the chance to dyno tune it yet. A tuner (such as PCV or jardine) tricks the ECM to run outside of its paramaters where as the Buell Race ECM doesnt cause he gives you the ecm thats pre-tuned. In the end I bet the Race ECM is better but I would say its all about preference. I for one and happy with my decision. | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I tried out the Pro Tune III but the AFV values never synched up to 100 100. And I could hear exhaust sounds I associate with over rich mixture. I dunno maybe I was just be superstitious but now with the race ECM the AFV is 100 100 and I guess that makes me happier. | ||
| Blake |
Sounds less and less like a "dilemma", more and more like a thread with an unwelcome agenda.  | ||
| Bob_thompson |
I agree with Mountainstorm and have had the same experience with my EBR race ECM. Another thing about EBR's is, if you desire, the 02's stay connected so you have some semblanse of tuning and adapting to conditions as you ride, the same as the stocker but way better. Bob | ||
| Therealassmikeg |
I think it boils down to doing your own research, decide what you want, and make an educated decision based on your findings. Thats what I did. | ||
| Moosestang |
I'd buy a power commander 5 and get a dyno tune before spending $300 on the other tune option. Dyno tuning with the PCV shouldn't take all day and an experienced tuner quoted me $180. I'm still waiting for the pcv to come in. Anything is better than throwing a pipe on there with no tuning. | ||
| D_adams |
That doesn't apply to every aftermarket pipe. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
I am with Blake 100%. I have posted before and copied the direct text from a few places about the need of O2's in Fuel Injection. Take them out and it goes to Heck, no way around it. You need them enabled for on the street daily use. You have exceptions to the rule but even then outside of bikes many cars and ect use the o2's on the engines for constant logging. I only turn mine off under map building to make the base mappings. Then I enable from there to allow them to do there job. This will keep your fuel where it needs to be at all times. As posted by others not all aftermarket pipes require tuning. I wont get into a debate on that. Because each bike reacts different. Plus the race ecm from EBR is more than timing and fuel. you get a lot more in the setup of the ecm to allow the ecm to react to different readings. One of which is the O2 data. It is the better of the two ways mentioned. after that you can still tweak it if needed in the fuel and timing. while getting the settings 99% of the places dont apply in there maps. Trust me I have seen maps made from just about everyone. some really are taking your money for stock ecms with a few fuel tweaks. (very lousy second hand work) Taking the O2 out is just plain STUPID for street bikes. I run dual wide bands with live gauges therefore I can see how much it effects the afr on weather changes and ect with the O2 correction off compared to on. There is a huge difference in how stable the AFR is when turned on. plus with a good base map it's even better. We have tried numerous times to make base maps for different setups, only to find the data does not work on every bike. some run the same some better some worse. Ready made can-o-worm maps suck in the end. It's a 50/50 chance they work like you expect. Build it to the bike on the bike or buy a factory ecm. You get what you pay for and some times you pay for trouble. Stick with places that can provide facts weather its there data or copied from others. this shows they have studied and did research to learn and Understand the need of sensors. If I knew where to apply more sensors I would directly in the ecm. 1. egt sensors 2. knock 3. air box freq thats My 2 cents mike | ||
| Tbowdre |
dont mean to hijack this thread but since other EBR ECM users will likely red this...... who also runs a K & N air filter? and will the codes ever just go away?.... i feel like i should have had 50 clean starts by now. again sorry to 'jack this thread todd | ||
| Moosestang |
I guess I'm stupid then, because I'm disconnecting my 02's when the bike gets dyno tuned. Besides reducing emissions in closed loop, causing the bike to surge, and affecting the AFV's, they don't do sh!t. You are stupid to think otherwise. I threw the stupid comment in there just to show you how it feels. | ||
| Reducati |
ihave the ebr race ecm, and fmf pipe...i'm no expert, just a rider,but my 09cr runs smooth, cooler, and quite honestly can scare the bejesus out of me. bying the race ecm from the guy who built the bike seems to make the most sense. EBR, has always responded back to me via email w/in a day with any questions i've had. count me as a very, very satisfied customer. | ||
| Justa4banger |
"For the street, I'd not want any kind of ECM tune that ignores the O2 sensors or requires me to fiddle with it. The EBR tune is proven. One guy reportedly, after folks paid him to run a dyno plot pre-ECM change, got a goofed up ECM out of hundreds and commenced telling the world that the product was garbage. Not sure what happened there in the end, but his credibility was shot at that point for me, so I'd ignore that data point, what we who make serious use of statistics call an "outlier." Kinda like hearing about the guy who didn't enjoy his honeymoon. You know it happened, but based on all information it is so rare and unlikely, it's just not worth considering." QUESTION GOD BLAKE.. anytime anyone mentions the EBR tune, are you going to bring up the fact i asked for donations, and that i got pissed off about my results...? thus discrediting myself in YOUR eyes....... So my creditability is shot because i posted results that weren't expected.....thats for other users to decide There's a reason i haven't said anything else.. because i'm giving EBR what they deserve. a chance to make it right... In the customer service aspect i say A+++++.. the tune.... i don't know yet. My only recommendation to anyone that gets a tune for any changes... Dyno and collect your own data....make sure that the bike is running good... 60-100.00 is well spent IMO just to verify ANY tune is doing its job... I would like to also say that when ever i get my results then i will openly share my info... For those who buy the a race ECM, IF you get results other than expected.... don't bother wasting the bandwidth here..Talk directly to EBR, there customer service is damn good. | ||
| Lampo |
I read the instructions for the Power Commander V for the 1125 - it requires the O2 sensors to be unplugged. They are the biggest tuning outfit in the world and I guess they are stupid too and will cause all kinds of trouble. Proof you should always believe everything that is posted on an Internet forum - especially this one.  | ||
| Redliner172 |
As does Jardine. | ||
| Dannybuell |
J4B I totally know where you are coming from. It takes a village to raise an idiot. :-) I worked in a woman dominated business for 15 years. I know all the petty moves, some people just can't give it a rest. A trumpeting elephant is an easy find. (he makes himself an easy target) | ||
| Dannybuell |
HD and EBR are the only chances any of us have for keeping our bikes running right in the years ahead. HD for parts & service, EBR for race parts. | ||
| Justa4banger |
TBOWDRE.. those codes are historical, i don;t believe 50 restarts will clear those. keep in mind though, they do not affect operation.. now if you get a new code it will still show up but so will all of those other codes... get freindly with local dealer and have them clear em.. takes 2 min.. | ||
| Moosestang |
Buy a $40 cable or make one. Get a copy of ecmspy and clear the codes yourself. | ||
| Blake |
"For those who buy a race ECM, IF you get results other than expected.... don't bother wasting the bandwidth here (throwing a fit and publicly trashing EBR)..Talk directly to EBR, their customer service is damn good." Excellent rule for all product service issues. It's a shame when some do the opposite. | ||
| Blake |
Some elepants trumpet because they despise jackels in their midst. | ||
| Xtreme6669 |
I have the ohio tune and I love it! fixed my surging at low throttle and really cleaned up the power delivery! I con't compare to the EBR as I have not tried it but wanted the OP to know that I got good results from my ohio tune. It came a bit lean for my bike but after bumping the afv's up a few points it is bad ass! | ||
| Cms1172 |
Entire day of riding with the EBR ECM, wow what a difference from stock. smoothed out the whole range on my bike, took care of the little surges at speed. The customer service is great, have nothing but good to say about them. If you need to change anything send it back and they will adjust it. |
