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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 12:45 pm: | 
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Crazyhawk, the other approach would be to just run the Mobil 1 for 3500 miles, then send it to Blackstone labs for a $20 analysis. Then you will know if it is "good enough" or not. I think the test is only $20 or so, a cheap investment given the options you are deciding between.
Thanks for your service! |
Crazyhawk99
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 01:12 pm: |
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RedBuell,
You may not have realized it, but when you shipped motor oil via USPS, you slipped one by Mr Postman. I am pretty sure if you call the post office and ask if you can ship a case of oil, they will say no. By no means am I saying you are not telling the truth. I am just saying that you got one by them. If you find I am wrong, please feel free to PM me a price shipped for a case of oil. Normally when I fly back to Germany from the states, I bring back a couple gallons. It isn't on TSA's prohibited items, ironically enough.
As for the technical discussion of dino vs. syn, I am totally not gonna get pulled into that. I am not smart enough to argue either way, but I am smart enough to know it. I tend to use synthetic in most of my vehicles. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 02:18 pm: |
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I actually took the package to Mr Postman and asked specifically if it was prohibited to ship synthetic motor lubricants. He did his research and said he could find nothing saying I couldn't. This information is posted on the USPS website:
Some examples of commonly-used items restricted or considered hazardous under USPS regulations include:
Perfumes
Nail polish
Flea collars or flea sprays
Aerosols
Bleach
Pool chemicals
Paints
Matches
Batteries
Fuels or gasoline
Airbags
Dry ice
Mercury thermometers
Cleaning supplies
Items previously containing fuel
Glues
Fireworks
Notice there's no mention of motor oils/lubricants. Additionally, if you follow this link to the prohibited-hazardous item chart, there's no mention of motor oils/lubricants either.
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/posters/pos138.pdf |
Crazyhawk99
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 02:35 pm: |
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Redbuell,
Sounds good. I am man enough to admit when I am bested. PM me a price for a case + shipping.
Greg |
Crazyhawk99
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 02:37 pm: |
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Cat,
Give me a couple days to run by the PX and see what they are currently asking for Mobile 1. I don't recall from memory. I am thinking about $10 a qt.
As for the part that BF posted pics of, it is the oil pump filter.
Later,
Greg |
Chameleon
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 01:47 am: |
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I use 20w-50 year round.
I've rode the bike in weather as cold as 16 degrees F. |
Hildstrom
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 01:03 pm: |
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Oil Articles & Studies Post
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1664834#POST1664834
Syn Oil Thread
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/disc us.cgi?pg=next&topic=290431&page=516297
Cold Starting Issues Thread
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/533502.html?1264614964 |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 03:04 pm: |
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I run Red Line in mine.
20w-50 for Spring - Fall, 10w-40 for Winter.
I ride almost every day, coldest was a couple of weeks ago when I saw 7 dF on the IC's AT read-out.
She is a little noisier with the 10w-40 but starts a LOT easier on those cold mornings.
Zack |
Metalrabbit
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 10:48 pm: |
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If I remember correctly the tolerances the engine are designed to will determine the weight of the oil. Many of the Jap street bikes have valve clearances that don't get anywhere near .009 or .010". From what I hear the 1125 does,, and it sounds like it at cold start-up.
I don't know everything but running a 20- 50W in a I4 or V-4 sounds a bit unusual. Maybe if it was about wore out with increased tolerances in everything, yeah, possibly. |
Jbuelltech
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 11:23 pm: |
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H-D Syn3 oil IS a full synthetic oil. But for those who want to run something else, here's a little food for thought: H-D originally asked Amsoil to produce it's synthetic oil. Amsoil agreed, but wanted their name somewhere on the bottle. Harley said no way, and Amsoil said, then no deal. With that said, if Amsoil was the first choice for the Motor Co, that's got to say something, don't you think? |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 12:43 am: |
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From: http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/engine /10166-mobil-1-synthetic-oil-impressions-6.html
Lubricants
Product H-D Part#...Manufacturer
H-D WINTER FUEL CONDITIONER 99889-91A HJS of Wisconsin
H-D FUEL ADDITIVE 99893-91A Polar Molecular
H-D FORK OIL TYPE B 99880-73 HJS of Wisconsin
H-D FORK OIL TYPE E 99884-80 CITGO Petroleum
H-D SCREAMIN' EAGLE FORK OIL (HEAVY) 99881-87 CITGO Petroleum
H-D SCREAMIN' EAGLE RACING FORK OIL (EXTRA HEAVY) 99909-93R CITGO Petroleum
H-D PRIMARY LUBRICANT 99887-84 CITGO Petroleum
H-D MOTOR OIL, SAE 10W-40 99816-1040 CITGO Petroleum
H-D MOTOR OIL, SAE 20W-50 99816-2050 CITGO Petroleum
H-D MOTOR OIL, SAE 50 99816-50 CITGO Petroleum
H-D MOTOR OIL, SAE 60 99816-60 CITGO Petroleum
H-D SCREAMIN' EAGLE SYNTHETIC MOTORCYCLE LUBRICANT 99824-03 CITGO Petroleum
H-D SEMI-SYNTHETIC TRANSMISSION LUBRICANT 99892-84 CITGO Petroleum
H-D SPORT-TRANS FLUID 99896-88 HJS of Wisconsin
DOT 5 BRAKE FLUID 99902-77 Dow-Corning
H-D WHEEL BEARING GREASE 99856-92 HJS of Wisconsin
SPECIAL PURPOSE GREASE 99857-97 HJS of Wisconsin
H-D POLY OIL 99860-81 General Polymeric
From: http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7912 1
Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on the SYN-3.
manufactured by Citgo Petroleum.
Composition section:
Component
CAS #
Concentration
(1) 1-Decene Homopolymer, hydrogenated
68037-01-4
50% - 70%
(2) Proprietary Ingredients
Proprietary Mixture
1% - 10%
(3) Polyisobutylene
9003-27-4
1% - 10%
(4) Distillates, Petroleum, Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic
64742-54-7
0% - 20%
(5) Distillates, Petroleum, Solvent-Refined Heavy Paraffinic
64741-88-4
0% - 20%
(6) Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate
68649-42-3
0% - 2%
Item (1) is a Group IV base oil. unable to locate the manufacturer of this base oil. Group IV and V base oils are the only "true" synthetics to the cognoscenti.
Item (2) is probably their additive package (boron, calcium, magnesium, phosphorous, moly), but it is conceivable there could also be some "secret" synthetic oil, maybe an ester type oil, included in it.
Item (3) is a fancy name for synthetic rubber (or elastomer) but this is probably considered to be "synthetic" oil as well.
However, Item (4) is a Group II base oil, namely Conoco Pure Performance Base Oil, either 110N, 225N or 600N. no one is calling a Group II oil a synthetic.
No information on the group number of Item (5) but it is Conoco's Cit-Con 650N Base Oil. presume that it is a Group I oil as it is solvent refined. most quality blenders are not using Group I oils in their premium motor oils and they are not considered synthetics.
(the MSDS for the HD 360 20w50 oil. The major base oil constituents in it are the same ones as are listed in Items (4) & (5) above.)
Get a sample of SYN3 and have it chemically analyzed- you might be surprised to find out it is not a 100% fully-synthetic oil. It really should be illegal for H-D to label it as such, and it's outrageous that they do business with Citgo- shame on H-D. |
Metalrabbit
| | Posted on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 08:06 am: |
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H-D is selling they're crap for $12.50 over here,, I order Amsoil for $8.85 pr qt. And the trade off appears to be a much better deal than just the price.
I wonder what H-D pays for a qt of they're SYN thing,, now that would be revealing yeah? |
Tbones1125r
| | Posted on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 09:55 am: |
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So by using most HD branded Oil, the buyer is also supporting that nut job from Venezuela?!?! |
Chameleon
| | Posted on Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 04:03 am: |
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I was mistaken when I said that I use 20W-50 year round... I have used Mobil1 Racing 4T 10W-40 in the past and actually just changed my oil & filter yesterday and put the Mobil1 in again.
I was running Syn3, but had to change it 1500 miles early after noticing that the oil seemed to have separated and become watery in appearance.
I'll never use that sh*t again. |
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