| Author | Message | ||
     Xoptimizedrsx |
We are working on these. They will have a lot of data added to it. In due time it will be released open source for anyone to have free. spreed the word. misson not impossible. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/516825.html?1259032128 mike | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
mmm. but will it be in a user friendly, idiot resistant form that I can use? R | ||
| Zac4mac |
Not showing much class these days, Mike. | ||
| Ron_luning |
Hey, wow look at that! You managed to copy the excel spreadsheet developed by someone else. At the college where I went, the computer science students were recommended for expulsion if they were caught copying anyone else's work. I guess all you have to worry about is copyright law. | ||
| Chameleon |
I will first say that I do not intend to take sides on this issue. However, I do agree with Open Source principles and ideology; I do run Linux on ALL five of my computers and two mobile phones after all. I believe knowledge should be shared and barriers to accessing knowledge should not be steep. That being said, I also believe that people should have a right to charge a reasonable fee for their hard work. Surely there is room for both enterprises in the marketplace. The organization that charges for their service will simply have to work to differentiate what they provide above and beyond the free offering(s). This is easy to do by providing better customer service and assistance with the process of using the information. I really would have liked to see ECMSpy released as Open Source instead of being killed. Doing so would have allowed it to continue to be improved in a decentralized manner less vulnerable to regulatory pressures. Additionally, the features of these external spreadsheet tools could have easily been added directly into the ECMSpy application if only individuals with sufficient knowledge had access to the source code. One difficulty with enforcing copyright law is that the burden of proof is on the copyright holder to prove that the alleged violator did copy the work. It is possible that the work is a from-scratch implementation of the principles of another tool which is not necessarily a violation of copyright. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringemen t#Defenses_to_infringement | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
hey wow... its the same data from a ecm stock from early 2008 for California. possibly the ecm data I emailed him a long time ago. who do you think feed a lot of data that way. sure he had a background on the peripheral and ect. but he did not know this ecm. who sent who data sheets. ralf and gunter sent him data sheets. I asked to use my info. they said if i could go ahead show me something. well here is something. wonder why it looks the same???? you fools the fuel maap is based off ecmspy. the values of hex ? bases from the ecm. of course it will read exactly the same. the hex2dec(***) code should be the same also. Its a Microsoft code (standard) guess if we was not so deep into it we could of laid the pages out opposite or stacked, problem the data would stay the same on every stock ecm. every stock ecm reflashed with the same firmware will read exactly the same. so no matter what file you use or graph they will look alike. we have hand input every data cell and made each code. read up doneex.com compiler removes all functions and code converst it to a exe file. that is not copyable. to make anything work you must hand write it yourself. same concept different data. 50% more data. Remember gunter and ralf helped me learn how to find data years ago on these ecms. I was with ecmspy a long time ago. I screwed that up because of $$. just like others mooched data from them and me. pay backs a bitch when more than one person can do the same thing hugh? stab people in the back it hurts. there is a chance it is obsolete before it even gets out. if you are smart you would know this. stay on top of the trends. see ecmspy.com new(userguide) guess lepp wont buy his cables from me know. he was paying 35.00 each. almost doubling the money for selling cost. I personally hope the new stuff happens and closes his shop. you can not make a map on a bike somewhere else and have it run good somewhere else on a different bike. thats too ify. it will work but its a 50/50 chance. already proved that many times. ask kevin drummer. he see it happen first hand. each map needs to be made to each bike. shutting off the o2's and calling it good is crappy work. tune it correctly set it up right and the o2's work for you. leave them on. set the ecm up correctly!!! dont get fooled by junk programs missing data and files. last thing microsoft excel must be not open for anyone to use? when did this happen that microsofts setting becomes someones elses personal data codes? ahh its not. it open to anyone to write with. no matter if it look alike or not. the code is a little at a time. with out a compile. or donex.com compile. ours will always be ahead once done. same concept but better. mike | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
The actual ecm data belongs to HD and the ecm manufacturer. Neither of us own it so both of us could be stopped from using it at any time. both used excel open source file maker. I made mine look like his on purpose. will be a something people are use to so a upgrade to a different sheet with a lot more data is a easy transformation. like i said before we are adding our own coding and formulas some we write most are excel standard files to do what needs to be done. Its like all programming it uses standard file codes to make a function. so some code calls will be exactly the same if he did it the same way. That I dont know. the hello world first step everyone learns in all languages always look exactly alike. its fixed data. we cant change that. get over it. there will be more than one set. one is free. | ||
| Chameleon |
there is a chance it is obsolete before it even gets out. if you are smart you would know this. stay on top of the trends. see ecmspy.com new(userguide) Now that is VERY interesting and exciting to see... It's even running on my favorite distribution, Ubuntu! | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
i DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT i JUST RAN ACROSS IT FROM THE USER GUIDE BY ACCIDENT. shoot caps.... sorry. spent all the time I can on the sheets today. bed time. school in the am. mike | ||
| T_man |
This is very exciting news. He makes good points about the availability of the data. Regardless of the 'politics' involved lets not forget that Mike is putting in hours of work - for NO return - as in; for FREE. Isn't that how ECMspy started in the 1st place? | ||
| Gemini |
This is very exciting news. He makes good points about the availability of the data. Regardless of the 'politics' involved lets not forget that Mike is putting in hours of work - for NO return - as in; for FREE. Isn't that how ECMspy started in the 1st place? let's not forget that there has been ALOT of people to put forth MANY hours of time for a free product with NOTHING in return | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
 LIKE I SAID UPDATES. 50% DONE. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Dude. I understand about 29% of what you said in every post here. HERE's what I am willingly paying for. An EASY way to make my bike run better. Somebody came out with a package that I can plug in and play, WITHOUT HAVING TO F*** AROUND WITH IT! Do I have the capacity to potentially tinker around with this? Yes. Do I have the time? NO. Somebody else did the work, and tied it up in a nice neat package with a pretty bow, and I Bought It. Paid him for his work. By all means, put all the info out you want, but don't hack the man's work, (i.e. making one program work for multiple bikes.) and let the people that can digest and use the information do just that. (which in my opinion is about 10% of the population.) R | ||
| Chadhargis |
I too am not going to take sides, but as someone in the IT industry who works with software on a daily basis...think of it this way. It is said that HD owns the data. If that is the case, could Microsoft sue a third party who writes a piece of software that changes Windows? For example, what if you change the desktop background? Did you modify Microsoft's OS? Yes you did! You should have asked their permission before you changed the background they put in place, right?? Of course not. That's silly. We all know that. If you have an ECM on your bike, and you change the map, there is nothing illegal about that (other than violating emissions laws). I have a flashed ECU in my Jeep. Runs like a raped ape. Gets better mileage too. I paid a company for the tune. They made money off of it. They do this for many brands. As far as I know, they are operating within the confines of the law by stipulating that these are "off road use" only modifications. If I had the knowledge to make a tune for my bike, and I was going to do the work for myself, I would have no qualms about giving it to anyone who wanted it. I would not sell it, nor would I take anything in trade for it. Receiving compensation for such things puts you on the hook to support it. I run Linux as well, because I believe in the concept. As an IT hobbyist and professional, I enjoy solving problems and coming up with workarounds. I've done some scripting in Linux (about the only "programming" I do) and am always happy to share what I've created.....free of charge. When I had bikes that had a PowerCommander on them, people would share their custom maps. Free. Nevermind they spent hundreds on dyno tuning, they would have done it anyway, so they shared the maps with their fellow riders out of the goodness of their heart. Sometimes helping someone is the greatest reward. It won't pay the bills, but it feels good none the less. | ||
| Court |
The greatest thing something like this offers MOST people is the ability to EASILY screw their bikes up. ANY modification to the ECM, even if you TRY to put it back where it was, screws you out of a warranty that you PAID for (yep, it's added to the cost of the bike) and can get real pricey. To those of you geeks who want to tinker . . . more power to you. I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10' pole. It's like letting a school nurse do brain surgery. | ||
| Gotlime |
Is the school nurse at least hot?  | ||
| T_man |
To each thier own; I agree with the 'most people' comment. However, for somebody who owns a salvage titled 1125R which doesn't have a warranty and can't get ANY factory flashes without paying $300+ I'll dive headfirst into the Eprom to get the most out of my bike. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. | ||
| Ekruizenga |
Chad, I agree about when asking for payment it puts you on the hook for updates. I bought a *** Performance Flash program and now that Buell has updated the ECM(new flash) the person that I purchased from said that inorder for me to get the updated version I had to pay more money. He just lost all credibility with me regarding not only his product but his business ethics. All other software purchased you typically have at least 1 year from purchase to get the free updates, no matter what time/dollars/effort the developer has put into the creation of the new version. | ||
| Court |
Cool. . . . knock yourself out. I was talking about the "most" (likely 99%) of the folks riding Buells. | ||
| Hogluvr |
Works for me Court!  | ||
| Hogluvr |
OK, I'm losin' my mind here, coulda sworn I just saw a hot nurse! (damn the 70's were good!!)  | ||
| Court |
Hehehehe . . you kinda did but I wasn't sure it was good to post personal photos. Interesting gal . . you likely remember her folks' house where they filmed Miami Vice. She now, with 5 degrees, is a registered architect, model and project manager for the World Trade Center. . . don't you wish REAL nurses looked like that? Her 56 year old sister is better.  | ||
| Sl33py |
The more options the better. I'm unsure if i want to mess with my ECM just yet - like court recommends us not to do for some good reasons. However, I also am an IT guy, and i'd like to be able to at least look at it to start... When the warranty expires I'd be much more inclined to dive in! It's good to have options. Open source i think is the way to go. The whole ECMspy debacle is like the kid taking his toys home when he gets upset (warranted or not). That's my opinion after reading only some of the hubbub. I don't like to see anybody get screwed over, but removing the option to mess with the ECM only hurts the community. Or we have to spend the $ for an Old Soggy Beaver tune... Which i was considering doing, until i heard i'd get dinged again for each new factory flash... That sucks IMO. back to your regularly scheduled programming... | ||
| Maddiemsu |
I think I have a temperature. I need to see the nurse. | ||
| Hogluvr |
Court, Yeah, I figured you had second thoughts about posting that pic, glad you confirmed it though. Was beginning to get a bit concerned about those "flashbacks" I heard about years ago  And nurses ARE my weakness you know... | ||
| Chameleon |
Helllooooooo Nurse!!! Wait, don't go so soon....  | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
As far as getting dinged for the next factory flash, once it's done, you just don't get the next flash, if any more come out.... R | ||
| 1_mike |
One more thing - I fully agree with Ekrizenga. I bought the mapping program. Am happy with the way it works. BUT..when a new program was offered, a new set of maps for the HMF, Jardine, FMF, et al....BUT...for the full 300 bucks..."again", I lost any faith I had in his business credibility. I had teeth marks in my tongue for a week. Things I wanted to say...none of them were kind. I just figured someone else may do something similar and not be money oriented, more helpful. Well...looks like my thought's may be coming to pass. Don't get me wrong, I will always be appreiciative of what he did for us. But...well...the Dynojet guys got ahead by being a bit more helpful to their customers. Mike | ||
| Slypiranna |
What's next, copied tunes from hundreds of hours of work paid for by others? I'd part my bike out piece by piece before I would support such business tactics/lack of common human trust... No "good" deed goes unpunished, remember that in your business and personal future...  mm | ||
| Torquaholic |
FWIW, to the posters who mentioned buying the ****** tune: If i'm not mistaken, there is an available upgrade on said businesses' website that shows a $99 price tag for an upgrade from the previous calibration tune to the new one. Granted, it isn't a free upgrade like most would hope for, but it doesn't seem to me that the $300 price tag is applicable to the upgrade. |
