| Author | Message | ||
     Xl1200r |
2008 me on a tight technical road in Vermont- lost traction on downhill left hander And that was a hell of a left-handerm Joel! Good times in VT for sure, haha. | ||
| Helicon |
1. 9 years. Use to commute, but now only recreational. 2. ATGATT (minus any type of full riding suit/leather pants) 3. Yes 4. Once 5. Car made illegal U-turn and hit me. Totaled the XB12, but needless to say, her insurance paid for her mistake ... i.e. 1125R. | ||
| Spaceman |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 37 YEARS - DAILY (+- 5 DAYS A WEEK) 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) ATGATT(STREET GEAR: HELMET, GLOVES, BOOTS, RIDING JACKET, JEANS) 3. Have you ever Crashed? YES 4. How many times? TWICE 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) ONE SINGLE RIDER (30 YEARS AGO - DRUNK, JUST FELL OFF - MESSED UP THE BIKE AND RELATIVELY MINOR DAMAGE TO ME) AND ONE PRETTY BAD ONE WITH A CAR THAT TURNED IN FRONT OF ME. | ||
| Oldmanriver |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 7 years , daily commute and recreational 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) Always a helmet, gloves, and jeans. Sometimes riding jacket and pants, weather(heat) depending. 3. Have you ever Crashed? yes 4. How many times? once 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION single,my fault | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Maybe you should have included a description of what constitutes "safety gear" because jeans cannot be considered part of an ATGATT ensemble. In reality, true "safety gear" consists of full-body covering in leather or a textile with abrasion resistance comparable to leather and armored padding, full-face helmet, motorcycle-specific gloves (with similar rating to body covering, preferably above the wrist), and motorcycle-specific boots (above the ankle with internal protection and steel reinforced sole). Jeans, reinforced jeans, non-armored jackets, and non motorcycle-specific gloves and boots cannot be considered proper safety equipment. | ||
| Krassh |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 35 Years combination on - off road since 8 years old.. 27 Years licensed since 16 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) Combination last 8 to 10 years ATGATT 3. Have you ever Crashed? Yes 4. How many times? 8 times on the street. At least 5 times off-road (of a serious nature) 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) 3 out of the 8 street accidents where attributable to someone else though 2 of those were legal lane splitting accidents. Most of the remainder of the street accidents were attributable substances on the road surface. (sand, oil, etc.) | ||
| Zac4mac |
1. Riding since 1971, first bike, Honda CB350, 1974. Commute daily, 10-15k miles/year. 2. More since riding a Buell, always boots, jeans, gloves. Now mesh armored jacket and helmet, heavier jackets/chaps/full suit as temp cools. 3. Yes 4. a lot for different reasons. Lost 3 teeth on Mt Palomar in 1980. alcohol. 5. Once in last 5 years, front washout at 20-25 mph. My fault. Was wearing full leather suit, minor bruises. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Maybe you should have included a description of what constitutes "safety gear" because jeans cannot be considered part of an ATGATT ensemble. In reality, true "safety gear" consists of full-body covering in leather or a textile with abrasion resistance comparable to leather and armored padding, full-face helmet, motorcycle-specific gloves (with similar rating to body covering, preferably above the wrist), and motorcycle-specific boots (above the ankle with internal protection and steel reinforced sole). Jeans, reinforced jeans, non-armored jackets, and non motorcycle-specific gloves and boots cannot be considered proper safety equipment. Agreed. Now post up! <please> R} | ||
| Blake |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 31 years of both transportational and recreational riding. 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) Mixture of both, often ditch the pants in favor of just jeans. 3. Have you ever Crashed? Yes. 4. How many times? Five including one at the track. Only one resulted in serious injury. 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) 1) Dumped bike on the grass. 2) Hit car at low speed (damp, slippery road) that pulled out right in front of me. 3) Dumped bike in parking lot. 4) Ran offroad and crashed hard. Hospital for a week. Totally my fault. 5) Lowside in turn two at Oak Hill Raceway. | ||
| Slaughter |
Blake, Is there a way of doing surveys on Badweb? So many of these "surveys" just end up exercises in frustration since they are just topics for discussion when nobody takes the time to do the stats and the threads drift here and there off-topic. It'd be good to have a survey option - or maybe a single-thread admin privelege given to the OP so he can keep a running tally of the results as people respond? Otherwise the "learning experience" is muddied by the passage of time and the length of threads with no end in sight. Dunno, these are always frustrating for me since (with a few exceptions) - there are rarely tables of results posted. Maybe Surveymonkey.com - or something like it? It's just a pet peeve of mine - as is the "DISCUSS" demand on some other threads. (and, no, I'm NOT going to volunteer to do stats on anybody's "survey") | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Heeeeyyyyyyy, give me a minute! I hasn't been 24 hrs yet! But I do like your idea. R | ||
| Slaughter |
These surveys ARE a good idea. I'm also curious about correlations inplied in the original question. I'm not entering because I race and so crash a lot. It'd skew the stats a bunch if you assume that riders in my bracket crash on average 3 times a year. Some other BBS software programs offer surveys as an option... and it's an interesting thing sometimes (although sometimes it gets a bit silly - like MOST discussions on the internet... but I digress) 1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 39 years. Mix of commuting and recreational. 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) SOGSOTT - jeans and workboots but jacket, gloves, full-face helmet for the work commute. ATGATT - racing and "spirited" weekend riding 3. Have you ever Crashed? Yep 4. How many times? Street - 2 times in almost 40 years Racing - at least twice a year. 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) Street: 1) Single rider crash. 1978 Slick painted surface on wet pavement (left arrow) - on my RD400. Broken collarbone 2) Single rider - transition from paved to gravel downhill - minor bent levers Racing: 2 caused by others 6 solo | ||
| Blake |
There's nothing in the current forum software for surveys, but one could probably setup a thread structure that would do the job, but it would need to take one question at a time. It would be far from ideal. Better would be to use one of the pole services available on the internet like www.surveymonkey.com. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Hmmmm.... SurveyMonkey.... monkeys.... surveys.... hmmmmm...... If you could retask the infinite number of monkeys attempting to write Shakespeare to take an infinite # of surveys, then you would eventually have whatever survey results you desire! HA! R | ||
| Slaughter |
I went to Survey monkey and set up a dummy survey just to see how it worked: Are you kewl? <> Yes <> No <> Ask my mommy Took about 5 min to set it up. Didn't have to wait for confirming email or anything. THEY do the stats. | ||
| Sparropie |
41 years all gear all the time (for the last 10 years anyway) YUP! 3 times 1st. 1979; car backed into street infront of me. Her fault. 400cc Honda Hawk 2nd. 2004; didn't make corner. My fault. 2000 Buell S-3 3rd. 2009; large divit in road launched my ass. Roads fault. Totaled '08 1125R. New one in driveway now...  | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
6yrs gear whatever whenever yes once low sided oil in teh road way i couldn't see slow speed fully geared at the time no damage to me minor damage to bike | ||
| Sparropie |
Hey, I just realized that Blake let me say ass! | ||
| Clbofaz |
1. 5 years, daily, and then some. Its my only ride! 2. Helmet always (even tho its AZ). The rest really depends; usually, leather/textile jacket and gloves half or more of the year. Boots and jeans, not as often as I should. Trying to change this after seeing the "Road Rash Girl" story. Scars can be sexy, but damn, not when its that much of your body and the story involves mostly stupidity of that caliber. 3. Yes 4. 2 5. #1. Hit a parked car 1-up at about 5 mph. Yeah, laugh it up. Obviously, my fault. Had no idea what I was doing. #2. Cager ran a light making a left (no turn signal) in front of me while I was headed straight doing 1-up at the University of AZ. Almost managed to slap the bike into a tight enough left turn to miss her but ended up dragging my right side bar end slider down the ENTIRE right side of her truck, until my tire caught her rear fender well. Sent me over the bars. Just a couple gnarly bruises as I was going maybe 10mph when I had the *sudden stop*. I was in nearly full gear (less boots), w/ a backpack that probably saved my back a bit pain (stuff inside was thrashed). On another note, I'm sufficiently proficient (for our purposes) in survey creation and analysis to handle this and other potential BadWeb quires. If only there were some incentive beyond satisfying my curiosity. ~C (Message edited by clbofaz on September 20, 2009) | ||
| Oldog |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 31 years both on off road comute and rec 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) sogsott they dont make it in fat guy sizing get around my belly and it fits "LURCH" 3. Have you ever Crashed? Yes 4. How many times? 4X 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) 1 car turned infront of me 2. oil on pavement marking 3. cold tires pavement marking I rear ended a car 4. ran off road near sutches serious injury #4 was definately my fault. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Well, guys, thanks for contributing, I'm starting to compile, but since there are still responses trickling in I'll give it till Tuesday or Wednesday to post results. Thanks, and keep em coming! R | ||
| Amrra12 |
.................................................. ........9 years ridding 3. Have you ever Crashed?.................. Yes 4. How many times? ............................6 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) .................5 single rider, 1 = cut into my line I hit him | ||
| T_man |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. 16 years, 3 race seasons 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? SOGSOTT on the road, ATGATT on the track (obviously) 3. Have you ever Crashed? Yes 4. How many times? 4 times on the street. At least 6 times on the track (racing) 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) All road crashes were traction related; 2 low sides, 1 high side, 1 very low speed (car panic braked in front) All track crashes were 'win it or bin it' situations  (Message edited by T_Man on September 21, 2009) (Message edited by T_Man on September 21, 2009) | ||
| Luisemilio25r |
1- On and off since I was 17 (I'm 31 now) 2- Sogsott. 3- Yes 4- 2 5- First, a cager decided to go for it on a stop, I guess he didn't judge well my speed. Second, my fault. Too much front break without loading the front first (sudden stop). | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
This will skew the data a bit 1. 6 months 2. SOGSOTT 3. No | ||
| Ron_luning |
1. 12 years on the street. Commuting and recreational. 2. ATGATT 3. Yes 4. Once 5. Single rider crash. I have avoided what seems like a thousand of other-motorist caused crashes (knock on wood). | ||
| Slypiranna |
1. How long you've been riding, and if it's daily (i.e. commuting) or recreational. >>>26 Years/Both 2. ATGATT or SOGSOTT? (AllTheGearAllTheTime or SomeOftheGearSomeOfTheTime) >>>Before the crashes/Nothing but a helmet...since 1991, most ATGATT. 3. Have you ever Crashed? >>>Yes. 4. How many times? >>>Three times. 5. Single rider crash, or somebody else caused it. (This is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.) >>>All three caused by street cage drivers in Florida...I've got three lower spine disc surgeries and one upper spine/neck disc removal/fusion with donor bones and a shiny titanium plate with six screws to prove it! LOL! Still driving on two wheels tho! One very big reason I chose the 11R over my past race replicas...I simply cannot contortion myself like I once did. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Sorry for the delay in compiling, guys. First off, as indicated in the initial post, this is NOT scientific. Don't even know if it's valuable at all, but I did find it interesting, there were some really good stories, and we did learn a bit about each other. O.K., of the people that responded: Collective time riding 754 years Average experience 18 yrs Wow. People that know bikes, seem to like Buells! ATGATT 21 SOGSOTT 19 Dead heat. Interesting. It seems that riders that are newer are more likely to ATGATT, but no statistical significance. total crashes 93 Caused by other people 26 Single rider crashes 67 Wow. We're our own worst enemy! Well, thanks for participating, and any comments are welcome! CarbonBigfoot, Out. (Message edited by carbonbigfoot on September 26, 2009) | ||
| P_squared |
Wow. People that know bikes, seem to like Buells! Funny how that works, isn't it? | ||
| Slaughter |
Hmmmm Thanks for compiling the stats. (and getting my ass down off of my high horse!)  Now I'm back to wondering about age... I'm actually thinking about doing a Surveymonkey survey but am just too danged lazy right now. It'll probably be a Winter project after last race in November. |
