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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bought my 2009 CR about 1 month ago, middle of August. First problem was dead rear turn signals. Took them a week but they fixed it. Put on about 450 miles so far with it.

Took it out last night rode for about 45 miles and everything was great, parked it in the garage like normal, kiss it good night, and head inside.

This afternoon I get geared up for a short ride after work. Get out to the bike, turn the key and everything lights up like normal and the tach sweeps. I go to hit the starter button, I hear the starter solenoid click and everything dies and goes black. The engine never tried to turn over. Turn the key off and back on and the tach sweeps like normal and everything lights up like normal. I hit the starter again, the starter solenoid clicks and everything turns black again. Now when I turn the key off and back on, nothing happens, just dead in the water. Anyone have a problem like this before?

I have a bunch of crap to do tonight so the dealer won't get a call until tomorrow.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like a dead battery, possibly a stator failure too? Either way, be glad it happened in your garage and not 100 miles from home : )
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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah I'm glad it happened today and not last night. But just weird timing. I made like 5 stops last night while riding and nothing weird.

I thought dead battery but when i turned on the ignition the first time the battery light never came on. When I turned it off and back on the battery light wasn't on then either.

I read some people's horror stories about the time to fix the stator so I'm hoping that's not it.
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Firstbuell
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

also may be loose battery terminal connections....
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Clarkjw
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

tru dat Froggy!
Ridegreen2oo, you'll see 2 threads on the board that mention this problem. You're not alone. Eventually, Buell will address this more directly. For now, your dealer can have you on 2 wheels in 2 weeks or less.
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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the input guys. I'll check the battery before I call the dealer. Cross you fingers!
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Mikeminyard
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you try to jumps start it? If not I would. Same thing happened to my friend on is 2003 VFR. He started it up let it idle for a while, then he rode to my house. After he turned the bike off it would not start. We jumped it then went for our ride. No problems since.
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Jelomadnes
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ridegreen, do me a favor if you haven't all ready done this. Pull your seat and check the fuses. My R did this with less than 2 miles on the odometer. Turned out that someone placed a 10 amp fuse in a 30amp socket. Easy fix.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd start by checking the tightness of the battery connections, then I'd check the battery. Check fuses, pull and re-seat relays.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any chance you left your key in the acc position and killed your bat?
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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't checked anything, pulled anything off. I was busy tonight so that's tomorrow's job.

first i was thinking fuse, but after the first time it died the bike powered up when i turned the key off and back on, so if the fuse would've blown it shouldn't have turned back on. Second I thought it was the starter solenoid/relay but I wouldn't think that'd cause the whole bike to power down and not turn back on after the second time.

I'm positive I didn't leave the key on all night because I always take the key out and bring it in with me and put it on my key chain with my car keys.

so tomorrow i'll try jumping it or throwing a battery charger on it. I'll check the fuses just to double check everything. Still kind of annoying when I have to do this on a bike I've owned for a month and have less than 500 miles on it. But oh well, accidents happen.

Thanks for all the ideas so far.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My R did the same thing jump start it
ride it for a bout 1/2 hour go home and try a re-start if it does not work check recomended fixes/tests the computers seem to be sensitive to things like shut down sequence Thanks Chadd.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well you can remove the key if you leave it in the ACC position. Probably not the issue but its a mistake most of us have made at least once.
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Ccryder
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two quick and easy things:
1) Check battery terminals.
2) Put a battery tender on it.

Mine had a "charging issue" one day. It started to show the charging light while I was riding. Checked my battery terminals and the "-" was loose by ~1/2 turn. Been a couple of weeks w/o an issue.

As far as shut down procedure, I kill the engine with the stop/ run switch and then turn off the ignition key. That's what the book recommends. YRMV.

Time2Ride & get WET!

Neil S.
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Ridegreen2oo
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If only I wasn't in a hurry last night this thread would've never even been started...

Right after work I got out to the bike, took off the rear seat and found that the positive terminal bolt was practically all the way out. I tightened it down, turned the key and all is good. Fired right up.

Thanks for all you help guys, but sorry to waste your time. Glad that theres a bunch of you out to help when needed!
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Ccryder
Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FWIW, when I did my first LED electrical mod, I finished up everything and connected the battery cables. When I turned on the key, I didn't get headlights or any of what expected see. I turned off the key grabbed the front brake and the headlights came on!!!

I spent the next hour checking all my wiring and fuses and relays and pulling my hair out. When this didn't help, I thought about disconnecting everything I had just installed. From the way things were acting it didn't seem like something that would be caused by adding an LED brake light or extra LED turn signal.

I used my BWB resource and PM'd Zac. I asked him how many wires went to each battery terminal and about what gage wire? The next morning (real early BTW, thank you Zac) he called me up and informed there was one 8-10 gage cable to the "+" terminal and one 8-10 gage wire to the "-" terminal with one 16-18 gage wire. EUREKA!!!! When I connected the battery cables that smaller gage wire fell along side the battery. There it was hiding and that cured all my problems.

I have a couple of points to make:
1) Don't panic, try to think through things as simply as possible.
2) Don't do anything rash like ripping out everything you just did.
3) Friends are an invaluable resource.
4) BWB can be one heck of a resource if you can filter out the sh!t.

Oh yeah, one rule of electrical work, if things are acting crazy, you probably have a grounding issue (thx Al).

Now it's time for you to take that cr out and ride the sh!t out of it and break in right!

There are some great roads up in MI and the UP. It's getting that time of the year when the color tour should be firing up.

Later
Neil S.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ha, not as bad as the time I thought my cityX had a dead battery, but the problem is it was in first gear. First and only time I've parked a bike in gear in the comfort of my garage.
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