| Author | Message | ||
     Ccryder |
CRS has struck AGAIN!!! Whose idea am I borrowing by ceramic coating the stock muffler? I was wondering what material/ finisher was used? I was wondering if the inside was also coated and what color. My local supplier has a chrome, black and, a cast iron gray in the ceramic coatings. I was thinking of going with the black. I just acquired a spare muffler so I'm going to get it coated and then swap it out at my 24k mile service next month. Thanks Neil S. | ||
| Hogs |
NEil, You have almost 24,000 miles on your 1125 now? | ||
| Ccryder |
No, just 21,685 er, 21,755 by the time I get home today ;+} My round trip for work is 140 s'miles of 2 lane TN backroads. It's my discount therapy (LOL)! | ||
| Spectrum |
Neal mine is ceramic coated, it's the same material they use to coat the headers and they would not coat the inside of the muffler. Reason being, something about being unable to properly prep the inside surfaces. The color is a satin black (semi-gloss). I had it done by a local guy, but I believe he gets his products form HPC (parent company behind Jet Hot).  (Message edited by spectrum on June 05, 2009) | ||
| Rdglider |
that looks very clean,I have to do something with mine and I think thats the way I'm going | ||
| Josh_ |
Hey Neil, let me borrow that spare so I can coat mine too! | ||
| Ccryder |
Bryan: Thanks for the info. I was told by Phoenix Speciality Coatings that they use a heated degreasing process. They feel they can also do a etch/ pickle to really clean it. I have to bow to the Pros, they have been there and done this before. Josh: No problem with using mine. After I get it installed we will talk about the logistics. Are you still coming down to TN Sunday? Time2Pack Neil S. | ||
| Josh_ |
HPC did a killer job on my S1 exhaust. JetHot did a crappy job on my S3 exhaust. I prob won't do the muffler until winter. Yes. | ||
| Spectrum |
Neil, I'm certainly not knowledgeable in this stuff and was just sharing what I remember from having mine done. The process he did included: Media blasting Heat treatment Preliminary coating Final Coating The heat treatment served more than just degreasing, it conditioned the metal for the preliminary coating which I think is applied while the metal is still hot. I remember him saying something about the molecules in the metal being expanded by the heat. He seemed very knowledgeable and insisted that while you did want to coat the headers inside and out, you did not want to coat the inside of the muffler. He does a lot of work for local Nascar and drag racing teams. He also does friction reduction coatings of internal engine components. He's work is very well respected by professional race teams and he seemed like a pro to me. I'd be glad to PM you his email address if you'd like to ask him questions. | ||
| Ccryder |
I'm gonna drop it off tomorrow on the way home at Phoenix Speciality Coatings tomorrow on the way back to Lebanon. After they see it, they will be able to tell me more about how the will process it. I'm going with the satin black. Later Neil S. | ||
| Fast1075 |
The best thing about the ceramic coating is, if properly applied it is a permanent finish that will never "go bad" unless you scratch or scrape it off.. | ||
| Eagle1 |
What is the dealership's "fix" for the muffler peeling/flaking? Will they pay to go to an aftermarket shop? | ||
| Zac4mac |
Seems I was spraying BBQ paint on Loretta's muffler every time I turned around, at first. Maybe I hit saturation, but I haven't seen the need to do it as frequently as in the past. I'm only on my second can, so it's pretty cost effective. | ||
| Ccryder |
I don't think Buell would pay for a replacement at this state of my muffler. It is discolored (gray versus black) and is showing some rust or maybe dirt on the front of the muffler. I am doing this because I want it to look better w/o having to mess with paint or too much work. | ||
| Unibear12r |
My dealer's fix was BBQ paint also. It's holding up better than I expected. I like the thought of getting my muffler coated but I wonder if that's wise as it has the cat? | ||
| Ccryder |
Glenn: Most ceramic coatings will easily hold up to the cat heat, so that is not an issue. Just the facts from my coaters mouth, I asked them yesterday. I was told that even right at the heads where it can reach 1800F, there is not problem, if applied correctly. Later Neil S. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Thanks! | ||
| Fast1075 |
We had a turbo bike with a ceramic coated header...it would glow white hot in the traps at near 180mph...coating never failed. | ||
| Gator555 |
I'm new to BadWeb and a new owner of an 08 1125R. Living here in Florida during the dog days of summer my first reaction to the bike was how incredibly hot it gets. Apparently with all these posts about ceramic coatings it seems to be a problem across the board. Has anyone contacted Buell about this? I know they are good about satisfying their customers. It just seems to me for the money this should be a stock feature on the bike. I took my girlfriend for a spin around the parking lot of my condo complex the other day for about 5 mins all in first gear. When we were done I threw the rain cover over her (my bike not my girlfriend  ) and it melted right off on the headers... ridiculous. Ceramic will be the first mod I look into for the bike. BTW I have the 05Z flash as well. | ||
| Ccryder |
Adam: Welcome to BWB. I started this thread because my muffler was turning gray and had some rust up front. It was purely for looks and ease of maintnence. The ceramic coating will not help with the heat. Hopefully it will stand up to the heat and road hits plus, easy to clean. The 1125r is a hot motorcycle, like most motorcycles. My ST1300 is a LOT hotter than the 1125. Obviously you have not used a cover on too many motorcycles otherwise you would know that even after a few mins, the headers are hot enough to melt most covers. Invest in one that has heat resistant material on the inside. To answer your question about Buell taking care of the heat via ceramic coatings, like I said previously, these coatings are heat resistant but will not do anything to reduce the heat the engine produces. My advice is to wear boots and at least jeans. After about 5,000 or so miles you may feel heat reduction and a smoother engine that revs faster. After 22,000 miles on mine in 14 months, I can honestly say this is the most fun bike I have owned (my 5th Buell BTW). I keep the ST1300 for two up riding since my WIfe loves to ride. Time2Run Neil S. | ||
| Pariah |
Since Fast1075 mentioned it, does anybody have an idea how robust the ceramic coating is to dings from regular road use? Spectrum, how's yours holding up? There are spots I've touched up on my stock muffler with POR-15, Black Velvet (the stock coating can chip off in places). The POR-15 paint blends nicely with the stock muffler coating (powdercoat?) and is fairly heat resistant (handles up to 1200F), but it would be conspicuous on a muffler with a glossy ceramic coating. In other words, touching up ceramic is a scary proposition. Now I'm thinking about a ceramic coating and a belly pan (ceramic coating should prevent long-term heat damage to belly pan--- yet another great excuse to get a ceramic coating)... maybe I think too much. (Message edited by pariah on June 12, 2009) | ||
| Spectrum |
Takis Excellent point. Chips and cracking is the only real concern when it comes to compromising the finish. The guy who did mine suggested to keep an eye on the finish especially in the forward facing surfaces of the muffler as they will get rocks and gravel hits thrown up from the front tire.. He did say that ceramic coatings are generally tougher than paint, but still can chip. He gave me some touch up material to use if I see any chips or cracks. So far I have not had any issues. | ||
| Ccryder |
Takis: Will the bellypan take 650F heat? That's what I've been told most of the ceramic coatings have to see to cure properly. The Race kit on the XB is silver ceramic coated and they seem to hold up pretty well even after getting "scuffed" by branches and curbs. Later Neil S. | ||
| Ccryder |
My coater is waiting on powder to come from Oregon. I should have mine late next week. Glad I planned ahead, too bad my coater couldn't plan ahead. He has 4 jobs waiting on the satin black powder that was ordered last week! Time2Ride Neil S. | ||
| Ccryder |
Well I got my muffler back from the coater. It looks ok. I do have a few issues with Phoenix Specialty Coatings. 1) Price quoted was $50.00 below final price. 2) One week to 10 day turn-around was almost one month. 3) I asked for nuts to be masked or have bolts inserted prior to coating (it didn't happen). 4) Customer service is very poor. 5) When the coated muffler arrived the coating was done by Performance Coatings in GA. (Box/ shipping label, care instruction are from Performance Coatings, I was not advised of this subcontracting) Bottom line is I really don't know what I've got and if I have an issue, who do I call? This is not a supplier I can recommend :+{. Later all. Neil S. | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm thinking of having my muffler ceramic coated RED. Someone here did a photoshop job for me earlier this year and I like the way it looks. Maybe this winter. I have to find someone local, though. | ||
| Ccryder |
So far the only "colors" I've come across in ceramic coating are: satin black, gray, chrome. THere may be more but out of the sites I've seen, in ceramic coating, that's the only colors. If you are thinking powder coating there is a whole rainbow of colors but, I don't think they will hold up to the heat, especially at the front where the headers dump and, the CAT is located on the CA models. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Owww that sux Neil. | ||
| Spectrum |
Jet Hot (HPC) Color Chart: http://www.jet-hot.com/colorchart.html | ||
| Ccryder |
Thanks Bryan, I had forgot about Jet-hot. Jaimec, there ya go. Z, that the price of my lesson. I think (but don't know) that I got the satin black ceramic coating I wanted. Time will tell. Later Neil S. (Message edited by ccryder on July 13, 2009) | ||
| Jaimec |
Jet Hot was the one I was thinking of. I knew I wasn't losing my mind. | ||
| Ccryder |
Just me loosing mine!! LOL | ||
| Buellsrule |
All the work that Jet-Hot has done for me has been first rate. I'll continue to use them. Sterling silver is great but I prefer their black product(It won't discolor or "grey"). Sorry for the headache Neil. Frank |
