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Pizzaboy
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

aah i passed 4k on the odometer of my 2 month old bike yesterday. this morning i walked to my bike and noticed that the steel cords are showing on my rear tire! DAMMIT!

the front tire is still in really decent shape.

i have to say i am pretty happy with the performance i got out of the corsa 3's. im sure i could have made my rear last longer if i didnt try power wheelies quite as much. i havent done a burn out ONCE yet on the new bike!! then again i believe that literbike class power bikes really do need special tires to stay alive in the excessive power they have to deal with.

my decision now is to buy another rear corsa 3 or go to a set of something else

i am particularly fond of the michelin pilot power but i would probably buy the dual compound model for the 1125(my S2 has the single compound one... and half the horsepower the 1125 has)

what else would be a good performer??

bridgestone BT-016?

considering im low on cash at the moment i might go with just replacing the rear with the stock tire one more time


in the meantime, until i get my tire issue resolved, i guess ill dust off the S2.. hmm i miss that bike!
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 03:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the Metzeler M3'son a firebolt but the geometry of the 11 is different so... I don't know : ). The M3's are multi-compound and I get about 4000 city/highway miles out of them.I generally get maybe 1000 or more miles in the twisties out of them as well. Not riding real hard of course, but enough to just barely roll the rubber a bit each time I go out.

(Message edited by m1combat on July 30, 2008)
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

strada!
tim
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12r
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 07:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You may be interested to know that the std PP and 2CT have the same centre compound but the 2CT has softer shoulders.
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Jpfive
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am mounting Continental Race Attacks shortly. I will have the cords showing on my second rear Corsa in a couple hundred more miles. I am getting less than 3000 miles per rear so far.

The Conti's are variable compound, cured progressively softer going out from the center. There is more rubber, and less siping on these tires than on any I have used. The shoulders are essentially slicks.

This is my first experience with them, so have no evidence to recommend them other than from other satisfied users. I also considered the BT-016 and the Michelin. I have had good experience with the Powers on a previous bike.

Jack
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Shwinston
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had my first rear tire replaced at about 8700 miles. I'm a commuter, traveling about 80 miles round trip per day. I average 80 mph.

I'm amazed that others are going through the rear tire with so few miles on them. I'm assuming I'm not riding my bike as hard as others. I'm thankful they lasted that long, the tires are note cheap and neither is the installation.
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Doerman
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are staying in the Pirelli family, I can give the Rosso the thumbs up.

Better than the Corsa 3 and much better than the Strada.
I rate tires by grip first and mileage second. But the Rosso wins on both accounts.
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Bearly
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pizza B
4000 miles? That was pretty good. At 6k, I'm about to order my second rear and I have another front in stock already.
The way I look at it, (IMHO) I have harder tires on my other bikes. I like knowing I have the sticky tires on the 1125R because what the bike is capable of.

I haven't talk to the guy, but the people at the Dealer where this crashed 1125R suspect that suddenly the different tires didn't perform as well as the Pirelli Corsa III's did. Like I said, that's third hand.

I expect higher milage from my other Buells. If I wanted, I can always put harder tires on those bikes. Just a thought
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Chameleon
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I replaced the tires on my 1125R with Metzler Z6 sport touring tires at about 5,000 miles. So far (about 5,500 miles) they've been fantastic and still have plenty of tread life left.
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Cutty72
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Burned through my first rear Corsa III at 3K, threw on another one before my track day. Now at 5K, I have a set of pilot powers coming for the soon needed replacement. I'll see how those treat me with both stickyness and wear, and go from there. I've thought about Conti Road attacks, Pilot Road 2's, and the Metzler M3's. so any of those could be my next tire as well.
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Dalton_gang
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pilot powers are working very well for me and I think they will out live the corsa III but not sure. (1700 miles)
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are staying in the Pirelli family, I can give the Rosso the thumbs up.
+1. Love 'em on my cityX, they'd be my choice for a replacement on the 25r also. I need to buy an 1125r, then wear out the tires, change to rosso's before I can give a full endorsement on the 1125r.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah the Z6's are good tires too... They last forever AND I was able to scrape the pegs with them on an XB12Scg
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Bearly
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dame I love those Corsa III's. I'm not changing a thing! I bought my own tire machine so I just put on the next sticky eraser for usually less than 160 bucks.

And I least I KNOW that these tires can handle a 48° lean angle. (if I ever get there) Just my HO
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Pizzaboy
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

has anyone found a good deal on the corsa III tires online???!? the best ive seen yet is 183 for the rear only to my door.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 06:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shawn, even I'm jealous.
I got 6100 miles out of the first rear.
5600 on the second and looking good.
11.7 k on the front.

I'll "stick" with the Pirellis for a while.

Z
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Misterrich
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont get it. Car tires last 50k miles why cant they make a motorcycle tire the same. I know there a different compound for better handleing but i just drive my bike around to and from work. I dont race on a track i dont need these types of tires. I put the Uly tires on my xb9 and loved them.
It handled way better in the rain and they lasted alot longer.
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Misterrich
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my next tires Pilot Road2
http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp ?codeRubrique=2092004104045&codePage=2092004104045 _13032007105938&lang=EN
I drive pretty much all year long. I need some tires with a little more meat.
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> I dont get it. Car tires last 50k miles why cant they make a motorcycle tire the same

Easy... have 6 square inches of contact patch times 4 tires and you will get great mileage.

Of course, your bike won't handle worth a darn.

It's apples and oranges.
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Black_snowman
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, it's more like comparing apples and soda cans. Not only does the bike have a smaller contact patch it has to flex more to get it. Quality control is also higher on a bike tire since the liability is so much higher. You can find cheap motorcycle tires. You can even find decent cheap motorcycle tires: http://www.cycletires.com/

I can confirm that on Heartland Park Topeka turn 6 a Corsa III has enough grip on cool pavement to scrape a peg. Surprised the crap out of me and I brought it upright and ran into the grass. Felt like I could keep on going. Definitely could have given it more gas. Just wasn't expecting a loud metal on pavement noise. : )
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Strmvt
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have approx 10k on my rear tire on my 12R on the factory tire at that it's low on tread and only have done a few burnouts and the front tire has 12k on it. Reason for the difference in mileage I picked up a screw in the rear tire at 2k. And yes lol I will be ordering tires this weekend I'll be getting Diablo Rosso's
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Jsimpkins
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I don't get it. Car tires last 50k miles why cant they make a motorcycle tire the same. I"

Oh they do, they're called Chen-Shin (Chinese), and the compound is rock hard. I had an old used KZ550 that someone put these tires on. I was commuting to school and had no money to swap them out. I TRIED to burn them off with a smoke show, but the compound was so hard the tire never heated up! I put about 25k on them over three years commuting, and when I traded the bike in on a BMW R100 they still had another 10k left in them!
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Ponti1
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My cords just started showing tonight at a hair over 4.4K on the odometer. I've run more highway commute miles than actual pleasure riding, so I've got a decent amount of tread left except the 2-1/4" in the center. I'm happy with the Corsa III, but would like some higher mileage for commuting. Is there another Pirelli that has the same or similar side compounds, but maybe a bit harder in the center?

EDIT: Not sure I've ever tried to add an image on this site before, so please pardon the fact that it didn't work...





(Message edited by ponti1 on August 12, 2008)
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Chameleon
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Metzler is a Pirelli company and their Z6 sport touring tire is what I've had on my bike for the last 5,000 miles. They still look brand new.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am getting close enough on my 2nd set to think about this question as well. I think the Rossos are gonna be it, although there are some newer Dual COmpound tires I would like to research first. I think Bridgestone has a 7 zone DC tire for the rear with the front having 3 zones. Also someone is making a tire with no distinct zones...it continuously gets softer as it gets to the edge. Can't remember who makes 'em.
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Tasmaniac
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 06:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first rear only lasted 4000k's about 2080 miles with no burnouts i will be changing to pilot powers when the next change is due
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Ponti1
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Metzler is a Pirelli company

So, I guess to be clear, I'm not necessarily tied to Pirelli or their affiliates. I guess I was just asking specifically about Pirelli since I'm happy with Corsa III, but looking for better resistance to highway commutes.

Metzler is a Pirelli company and their Z6 sport touring tire is what I've had on my bike for the last 5,000 miles. They still look brand new.

So, the Z6 is obviously a harder compound, at least in the center. How do they grip? Does the outside still have a soft enough compound to handle aggressive cornering? My fear with any unfamiliar tire is that overconfidence will put me in a hairy situation...

(Message edited by ponti1 on August 13, 2008)
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Z5derek
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I switched to the rosso it holds as well as the corsa 's and looks like it will last longer. i got mine at cycle gear and they have a road hazard plan so if you get a puncture when its half worn out you get a new tire. no cords showing though. i am still working on this one i will let you know how many miles i get. Preasure is a big deal with these tires my rear got low and it looked like a pencil eraser when i got to bike week so keep them at 40-42 lbs
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Merlyn
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For those of you commuting, check out the Shinko 009s... I get about 4K out of Corsa 3s too, and I got 9700 and change out of my 009 rear. Front would have lasted through another rear easily, but I took them off for something with a better profile. Not a track day or twisty tire- they turn in Sllooooooowwwwww. Very rounded profile. Decent in the rain, sticky enough for around town and some canyon-bashing. I never broke mine loose, but I am not a peg dragger either.

$200 bucks a set.

I *may* try 005s this time around- same price, sport profile and compound- prolly only get 2500 out of a rear, but if they stick well, I can live with that.

Merlyn
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Tpoppa
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For extended mileage and enough grip to drag hard parts, Conti Road Attacks are the best I have found. For me...they last slightly longer than the Z6 and have noticeably more grip.
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