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Sruzhyo
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Afternoon all,

Spirited riding on the freeway had me shifting down from 6th to 5th at about 75 on I25 south and getting back onto the gas.

I got revs, ZERO power.

I look down, after letting off the throttle, and see no warning lights, no neutral light, nothing. Get back on the gas and more revs. No power, just revs. I'm slowing down at this point, click back up into 6th, and she's got power. Back down into 5th and she's got power.

What gives??

(Message edited by sruzhyo on June 27, 2008)
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Bertman
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've gotten three false neutrals between 5th and 6th but only when up shifting. I have never had a false neutral any where else. I just figured I was too lazy in my shifting.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hit it down-shifting today.
Made a loud clunk when I hit 5th.
Guess I shoulda used the clutch...

Z

(Message edited by zac4mac on June 27, 2008)
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Citified
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used to hit it all the time, havent in a while though. I am starting to hate this bike.
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Slypiranna
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same here on the false upshift but at the 2 to 3. Every ride, now at 5k miles.

Feels like either not enough tension on the drum centering spring or fork pins locking...

Plan on a reverse shift drum install soon so whatever the problem is should be found then.
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Funktron
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I too have hit it...several times but always on the way up to 6th from 5th, I blame lazy shifting.

But why is it not engaging a gear? I haven't noticed it in any other gears.
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Rick914
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hit it once, Lazy shifting. Pulled the clutch and didnt really pull up @ all reved up a little. All my dirt bikes have done the same thing so wasnt that strange feeling.
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Mr_incognito
Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ive hit it quite a few times between 5 and 6, but I know for a fact its just lazy shifting. The gears on my Ninja were a lot shorter so sometimes I dont click up far enough and I catch a neutral...never have had a problem getting it to click right back into gear tho.
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C4bird
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've found it between 2-3 a couple times. Was kinda soft shifting, so probably my fault.
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Pizzaboy
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i find the 5-6 every once in a while; certainly due to lazy shifting. im not complaining though, this bike shifts wayyy cleaner than my tuber buell!!
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Black_snowman
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've found it a few times. It's always when I don't let the shifter go down fully. Need to adjust it slightly for my stiff racing boots.
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D_buckle
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

happends to me.

its just me being lazy and not kicking it into gear hard enough

between 2-3 and 5-6
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Jpfive
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bike shifts smoother than my VFR, smoother than my 12Ss, and much smoother than my Aprilia did. There is nothing wrong with the tranny on my bike.

That said, I have hit false neutrals a couple of times. I don't remember which gear, but each time I knew the cause - a tentative shift. It happens sometimes...

Not to say that trannys don't sometimes need adjusting. If it keeps happening to you and - be honest with yourself - it is not rider induced, take it in.

Ride safe,

Jack
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Zac4mac
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Jack

I have no reason to think anything's wrong with mine either, just the first time it ever happened.

What alarmed me wasn't the false neutral as much as the clunk when I found 5th...

Z
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Sruzhyo
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm ok. Good to hear that it's not just my bike, and that it's not an issue at this point.

I'll put down my purse and shift like I mean it next time : )
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Brad1445
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe its elf magic keeping you out of 5th until your recall is performed?
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Kttemplar
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe there is just not enough lubrication between 5th & 6th....

Is it possible that there is a correlation between the 5th gear galling and possible lock-up and the apparent false neutral between 5th and 6th?

(Message edited by kttemplar on June 28, 2008)
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Dtx
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its possible...

I have had just 2 "false neutrals" and both times I am pretty sure I didn't perform the upshift with enough "authority". I am not too worried about it.
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Donutclub
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never had a shifting problem with my 1125. In fact, it's the smoothest shifting bike that I've ever owned.
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Cutty72
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hit it a couple times between 5 and 6, always going up.

Lazy shifting, possibly something with the whole "recall" thing... who knows.

I just thougt it was the Harley lineage lol!
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good question...anyone that has had the recall done....any difference in the gear box?
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Baggermike
Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bike runs and shifts awesome and never hit a false neutral,

I have not brought my bike in yet for the two upgrades either.
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Sruzhyo
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got the recall done. Smooth shifting good times : )
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Cataract2
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hm, hope when I get the recall done that will solve that. I've hit that false neutral a few times lazy shifting.
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Ccryder
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The recall will not cure the false neutrals due to the rider. The 1125r (at least mine) is so light and smooth shifting that you really just need to shift it and ride.

If you are shifting lazy, you may still run into that twilight zone of neutral.
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