| Author | Message | ||
     Carmell |
This bike has been like a magnet for people wanting to race. Saturday it was a GXR 1000, and this morning on the way to work a CBR 750, what gives ? Either way, both riders have a new respect for Buell's, considering they were looking at my back side the entire time. I love this bike ! | ||
| Ccryder |
Yep, I got to play last week and this morning (The one this morning was just shaking his head when he caught up with me after a pass of a car and a 18 wheeler). Really opens the eyes of the unsuspecting IL4 riders! Almost too much fun. It DOES generate some new respect for Buell! Neil S. | ||
| Cobralightning |
I had a GSX-R 1000 guy give me a head start so he could blow past me.  Funny thing was he could not understand why he could not catch up. by the time we stopped he told me he was told all Buell's were slow and didn't handle well. I think my cover is now blown. No more catching my towns IL4 guys by surprise. | ||
| Ccryder |
It's hard to keep your cheeks inside your helmet with that SEG on your face! | ||
| Slypiranna |
Finally, the long and often misunderstanding of what torque will provide you in the real world... Read real world again/NOT JUST TRACK...it only took me twenty years to understand it's meaning!  Much more fun "this" way! | ||
| Xb9 |
Loco-motion! it moves you....fast! | ||
| Rdmwc |
on my way back from omaha this weekend i came up on an R1 that didnt want anything to do with me, then a hyabusa came up on me to play, i kept up with him... very short distance we went, he saw that he did not leave me, he slowed way down and let me pass. lol then a gsxr600 wanted to play, but that wasnt even fun. (yaahhhn) this was all within 10 miles. lol. fun fun! theres a few IL4s in town, yamaha, gixxer and a ninja that keep trying to get me to pull over to their house, but im in a hurry when i get off work. | ||
| Brad1445 |
wow, faster than a Busa. Thats cool! | ||
| Imonabuss |
Brad, Is it impossible for you to do anything except make troll posts? That is not what the guy said, but you have to be sooo cute... What a waste of airtime. | ||
| Brad1445 |
I'm sorry, I meant just as fast. Troll, You have no idea how much I love Buells and want them to succeed. How much I have done to sell them to others. How much I want a Rotax powered one. How much I love then, small twin cylinder engines. How much I like things that are American made. How much I like reality, truth and facts. Not fluff. For Buell to have an out of the park hit with version 2.0 a dose of truth and reality is required. There is some great bikes on the market today. I have bought more Buells than any and I want to continue to support them in the future, but I dont put blinders on to do it. I have always impressed others with Buells handling by leaving others in the dust. Now with a higher revving engine it just made that easier. When version 2.0 is released you will see the importance of addressing opportunities for improvement. To do so requires you stay in reality. | ||
| Spectrum |
i kept up with him... very short distance we went, he saw that he did not leave me, he slowed way down and let me pass. Hmm I don't see this saying anything like "Faster" or "as Fast". Just sounds to me like he is saying the Busa guy was somewhat interested in the 11 and maybe surprised he didn't easily leave it behind. | ||
| Ccryder |
Bryan: You are 100% correct! It is no real way to compare the bikes on the road with different riders. The main point is................ just seeing the look on their faces when: A) They can't just run away at will, B) We motor past them and C) They figure out it's a Buell! The WTF look is worth all the sh!t we've taken over the years with the old "lump". Later Neil S. | ||
| Carmell |
On my way home there is a section of road that has a turn with a nice crest in it. Just gotta totally dig the power wheelie on the back side, and the bike saying " Whats up, want some more of this ". This thing kicks some major azz. Thank you Eric Buell !! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Brad, why so surprised that your 'Busa won't walk all over the 1125r--and let's not even start talking about on a road that curves.... 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa 490 lbs dry 175 RWHP 102 lbs torque 2.80 lbs per horse 4.80 lbs per foot pound of torque 2008 Buell 1125r 375 lbs dry 135 RWHP 75 lbs torque 2.77 lbs per horse 5.0 lbs. per foot pound of torque Lower weight/power ratios are better. And I bet if we were looking at the wet weights, the ratios would look even better for the Buell in comparison to the 'Busa. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Uh-huh, Power to weight. gotcha. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Is that the best you got, Brad? You don't think that the weight/power ratio is a significant factor? Granted, these are peak numbers and the power curves of the two bikes in question would be another factor, along with gearing. No one is saying that the 1125r is faster than the 'Busa. that would be idiotic. But will the Busa leave the 1125r like it is standing still...I seriously doubt it. | ||
| Brad1445 |
If your looking for an argument, I'm not interested. I know the paper numbers and I know real life reality. I'm just a guy that likes all things motorcycle. You don't see me bashing the mechanics of the 1125R, this was to be my dream bike. Rotax Rules! If Buell makes some changes I will have one in 2009. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Spare me the details. One of my very best friends has a Busa....I can't remember if you have ever thrown a leg over the 1125r (other than in the showroom.) But then again you know reality...so it doesn't really matter if you have ridden both machines in question. Can you tell us again how much you hate the pods? | ||
| Smoke |
1125r-max top speed 176mph busa-max top speed chip limited to 186mph both-too much fun. ymmv tim | ||
| Brad1445 |
Fresnobuell ........ Can you tell us again how much you hate the pods? _____________________________ My love for the pods is deeper than the just the pods themselves. Its also the most outward and obvious proof the bike was not ready for public release. It shows that to BMC releasing the 1125 on the 25th anniversary was more important than getting it right. The parts bin styling approach is laughable. This amount of greed/ego is Insulting and disappointing. There, did I say what you wanted me to? | ||
| Carmell |
Wow guys, sorry this thread got hijacked  . I was hoping for more similar experiences and sharing some fun that we've had on the 1125, that is those that like them  | ||
| Imonabuss |
The only ego I see here is yours, Brad. A troll rolling in his own defecation, thinking it makes him attractive. Only to other trolls, buddy, only to them. | ||
| No_rice |
1125r-max top speed 176mph busa-max top speed chip limited to 186mph both-too much fun. have you actually hit the revlimiter in 6th? is it really 176 indicated? i had mine as wowned out as it wanted to go in 6th last night and it was barely over 160. was maybe around 10,000rpm but the tach was buzzing a bit so it might have been a hair lower. it just didnt seem to want to do anymore but never felt it bang the limiter and never saw it top 10,000rpm. now i will admit i have the inner airbox off so it doesnt really get the ram air effect which might help a bit(cant remember the figures), but its not like that adds alot of horse. its possiable it could be flowing some funny air current over the throttle bodies at that speed though and actually producing more of a suction away from the throttle bodies instead of forcing it in...? or even just disrupting the flow some | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Another note here on indicated speeds...the 1125r speedo has been proved to be BS free, thru GPS comparison. I also have personal proof (tho I am not happy about it) with a CHP radar gun exact match at 88 MPH. I KNOW for a fact that the Japanese bikes (incl. the mighty Busa) are optimistic in the speedo at about 5%. Soooo, if the Busa limited speed is per the speedometer (which I would think it is?) at 186, it is really moving at about about 176. Food for thought. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Buell 1125R, Mid Ohio, back straight, Garmin GPS.  | ||
| Brad1445 |
And there you have it, Fresno, The Buell is 2 mph faster than a Busa. So rejoice. I hang my head in shame. | ||
| Hayabusa |
As a former owner of a Busa and a current owner of a 1125R let me put some things to rest... 1. In slow speed corners the Buell will crush the Busa. 2. In high speed corners the Buell will have a higher entrance speed, but in the corner the Busa will be just as fast and will come out faster...its long wheel base makes it extremely stable and once you hit the apex you can really can crack into the power. 3. The Buell has much quicker transitions, changing direction from lean to lean on a Busa is a nightmare! 4. In a straight line the Buell will get crushed and I mean crushed by a Busa. The gearing on the Buell is too short and the Busa engine spins up faster...these items are not measured by a dyno. You will shift twice on a Buell before you shift once on the Busa. Get on a Busa and your Butt Dyno will confirm my remarks. 5. The rider is everything! The fastest rider I have ever seen on a track and on the street rides a 2004 ZX-636R. So, if you beat a Busa...you are a better rider...you are not on a faster bike. I also wouldn't recommend trying to run a Busa, they are much more stable over 150 then the Buell is. I do love my Buell, but I am also a realist. I will give anyone a shot in the twisties but I won't try to match straight away speeds with any of the Japanese liter bikes or open class models. Watch World Superbike and see what happens to the Ducati in the straight aways...and on the flip side watch what Corser does to the four cylinders in the corners...that is where the advantage of the twins are...in and out of the corners. Just my 2 cents...flame away! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Don't get too excited, there is some GPS jitter, though you can see those points relative to other points captured, so it could not have been off by much... but it probably could have been as much as 10%... It was still freaking fast though... And so germane to the conversation I couldn't resist posting And for the record, I did stay behind the Buell control rider... you shoulda seen how fast *he* was going... almost fast enough to keep up with Flickinger! (There. This post ought to keep the HD legal department busy for a few weeks  ) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I believe that the theoretical top speed of the 1125 is 176 mph....I think it would lucky to touch 170, but then most riders won't even approach that velocity. Not sure what that Garmin GPS is indicating...we all know that the 1125r won't do 178. Personally, I would much rather go fast in the corners than a straight line. Any squid can twist a throttle and click the gears. Funny that my friend that owns a 'Busa is looking to "downsize" to a literbike of some sort...cause he wants to go faster in the twisty stuff. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Thats what's fun and interesting about bikes. They are like tools in a tool chest. They all do different jobs well. I agree the corners are more fun, thats why I bought a HyperMotard too and the reason I keep buying Buells. I'm just lucky enough to not have to settle for just one tool or style. |
