| Author | Message | ||
     Alans |
Hi, everyone. Today, I bought an 1125R (pick it up tomorrow) and thought I'd begin tapping into the accumulated expertise here to see if I can get some insights into some questions I have... The salesman told me the bike does not have an alarm. However, after reading the online owner's manual, I was left with the impression that all the 1125R's have an integrated alarm that disables the bike, when set. Does the 1125R not have have an alarm? We (the salesman and I) had some trouble getting the bike started the first time (it had been sitting on the showroom floor). One of the techs said we'd flooded it. His suggestion was to cycle the ignition switch 3 to 4 times, on then off, prior to hitting the start button. His explanation was fuzzy, i.e. has something to do with the ignition system, and the spark dissipating the fuel charge before the engine is turning so that there is insufficient fuel to start the engine when the starter begins turning the engine over. According to him, cycling the switch as described allows a sufficient fuel charge to accumulate so that the engine will fire. I did not understand the specifics of what he was saying, and didn't ask--primarily because it sounded so weird, and I didn't know what to say. Has anyone heard this tip before? (I don't recall seeing it here, anywhere). Thanks, Alan | ||
| Towjam |
The salesman told me the bike does not have an alarm. However, after reading the online owner's manual, I was left with the impression that all the 1125R's have an integrated alarm that disables the bike, when set. Does the 1125R not have have an alarm? It does have an "immobilizer" which you can configure so that you have to enter a PIN to start the bike - but there is no alarm. | ||
| Towjam |
oh yeah, CONGRATS!!! on getting the 1125. When you get a chance, post some first ride impressions. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Welcome to the club. The 1125r does have security system (not calling it an alarm cause it doesn't make any noise) that allows you to enter a 4-digit PIN of your choosing to effectively disable the bike until you put the PIN in again. You have the option of 1) not using the security at all 2) automatically arming 3) optional arming (4-min countdown after bike is shutdown) Great idea...not sure of the execution. The red LED is way too small and blinks way too slow to deter anyone from stealing the bike. My fear is that the bike will be gone before the thief realizes that the engine is disabled. Too late then. Probably some electrical constraints forced the small, slow blinking LED choice. In the "ask before arming" mode, why didn't Buell have a simple yes or no, instead of having to put in the code to get it to arm. I would use it a lot more if I didn't have to enter the code to arm. Not sure of the flooding solution...never had a problem with that luckily. | ||
| Alans |
Looks like I have my nomenclature screwed-up, though 'immobilization' is the function I thought the bike had (and it does). An alarm (the usual sensory stimuli) would be nice, too, but I'll look to the aftermarket for that. I was satisfied with the riding position during my 'laps' of the dealership. It's not a real severe sport-riding crouch--which suits me. At some point, and when the aftermarket catches up, I can foresee raising the bars, and lowering the footpegs a small amount. I will certainly post riding impressions after I have a chance to do some. Thanks for your responses, everyone. I appreciate the help. | ||
| No_rice |
footpegs should be easy. get a set off of XBS the lightning ones are an inch lower and should bolt right on and dont cost much. they make my 12R alot more comfortable. although i doubt i will put them on my 1125. never know. i left my 9r ones stock. i think the mechanic was smoking something but i could be wrong. buells do not like to be started and shut back off without a chance to warm up. and they really dont like to be given any gas when starting or until warmed up a bit. (there is always the exception though) most people fowl the plugs by blipping the throttle right after the bikes start. just a few days ago we were showing a lightning to a guy, and as we started it up he sat on it. i told him to leave the throttle alone for a minute or two while it got warmed up or they flood easily. well i no more than shut my mouth and he starts blipping the throttle. third blip it choked. some people just dont listen. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Maybe he thought you were trying to hide something....seriously, I don't understand why people risk fouling plugs or worse, putting unneeded wear and tear on engines when they are cold. My office manager here at work thinks he is a friggin race car driver or something. Everytime he takes off after starting his car that has been sitting all day (he brings his lunch)--pedal to the floor. He damn near got in a fight with some of the guys from the cabinet warehouse one building over the other day after almost wiping a couple of them out. | ||
| Alans |
No_rice, I'll keep the XBS pegs in mind. Simple solution. Cool. The bike was idling ok, and I recall the salesman did 'blip' the throttle a couple of times--at which time the bike died, and didn't want to restart (during the restarts, when it stumbled, he tried to keep it running by--blipping the throttle--at which time it would immediately die). I'll bet you're right, and this throttle over-stimulation caused the issue... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I have never touched the throttle on my 1125r without the coolant temp at least 150 and usually it's at the normal operating temp of about 165 before I take off. Just seems like common sense to me.... | ||
| Ratbuell |
The technician was right. Shake their hand when you see them again. There is a plug-clearing sequence you can go through using the kill switch, a WOT position, and the key that will fire the spark plugs a number of times without the engine running to clear any mild fuel-fouling that may be present. Not having a manual in front of me at home I don't want to post an incorrect procedure, but it does exist and the technician knows EXACTLY what he was talking about. It was a recent tech bulletin on H-Dnet for dealers, and works on all 2008 Buell XB and 1125 models. For daily use, though, the above posts are correct. To start the bike properly turn the key, cycle to "run" and thumb the starter. Period. Do not touch the throttle. Your bike will be much happier and you will enjoy the ride as a result  Congratulations! (Message edited by ratbuell on February 23, 2008) | ||
| Nickcaro |
the lead Buell tech at Danbury Buell/Harley gave me a sequence that I used once and it actually worked for me. I suspected a flooded engine; full throttle, key to on position and hold for 5 seconds without releasing full throttle, then turn key back to off. repeat three times and then make the fourth a normal ignition attempt. Worked for me and the bike had a small puff of dark exhaust. | ||
| No_rice |
as i said i could be wrong, theres always a first... "There is a plug-clearing sequence you can go through using the kill switch, a WOT position, and the key that will fire the spark plugs a number of times without the engine running to clear any mild fuel-fouling that may be present. Not having a manual in front of me at home I don't want to post an incorrect procedure, but it does exist and the technician knows EXACTLY what he was talking about." i would love to read that if you can find it. i have not stumbled across it in any of my manuals, but i also never really looked for it. if its true though it would be a useful piece of information. | ||
| Alans |
Ratbuell, thanks for making sense out of my interpretation of what the tech told me. The tech must have read the information you're referencing. (One of the questions I asked, pre-purchase, was if any of their guys had gone to school on the 1125R. The answer was no one has, as yet...I asked how they'd fix the bike if I brought it in with a problem. Answer: We'll read the manual, and work with the factory via phone. That seemed reasonable. But hopefully they'll get a guy or two factory-trained in the near future.) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Check with your dealer, it's a TSB. I'll see if I can hunt it down, but I think Nickcaro has it right. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Alans- most dealers are still waiting to get techs into the training schedule. That's the biggest problem with lots of people wanting to get into a small number of classes...but I also have the dealer-only draft copy of the service manual at work and it covers all the regular maintenance stuff (it's not a complete manual yet). Tech Services is only a phone call away for any repairs beyond the scope of "maintenance". | ||
| No_rice |
im at the dealership everyday... ive got the dealer only draft copy sitting here at home with me and i still havent stumbled across it. although i do think i fried a few to many brain cells at the bar last night   damn, your right. just found it. SWEET! | ||
| No_rice |
its even supposed to do it automatically if it has 5 starts without reaching operating temp. cool instructions to do it manually (repeat the following sequence 3 times) #1 roll and hold throttle wide open. #2 turn the ignition on. #3 wait 3 seconds. #4 release the throttle grip. #5 turn the ignition off (Message edited by no_rice on February 24, 2008) | ||
| Alans |
This is a great site... | ||
| Chevca |
As a follow-up to Alans Post...And this is a great bike, in fact if you didn't know any better you would almost think a mechanic designed the thing. On most fuel injected cars the clear flood mode (if it has it) is you would have to hold it WOT crank the engine. This would basically just turn off the injectors allowing the fuel already in the cylinders to be burned off. The drawbacks in my opinion and experience to some extent, is the battery gets worked hard, and your putting unneeded wear on components by both movement of the pistons in the bores without combustion. Which means you have less pressure pushing the rings into the walls of the cylinder allowing more gas into the oil. Its truly incredible what they have thought of on this bike. | ||
| Towjam |
its even supposed to do it automatically if it has 5 starts without reaching operating temp. cool instructions to do it manually (repeat the following sequence 3 times) #1 roll and hold throttle wide open. #2 turn the ignition on. #3 wait 3 seconds. #4 release the throttle grip. #5 turn the ignition off Major apologies in advance for digging up an old thread but does anyone know if this plug-clearing sequence also works for the '08 XB models? Or is it an 1125-only feature? | ||
| Court |
It functions on every Buell fitted with DDFI3 | ||
| Towjam |
Thanks Court. |
