| Author | Message | ||
     Nell |
there are many power upgrades for the current XB model like the DOBECK PERFORMANCE plug in and the TECHNORESEARCH PRODUCTS and cant forget the DYNOJET SYSTEM which all function like the POWER COMMANDER. will the new 1125r be able to use these performance additions as well? being that this is the latest technology will buell finally integrate an exhaust o2 sensor that sends readings to the computer for tweaking? how could buell not have thought of this first.!!}}}  | ||
| Anonymous |
What kind of post is this? Buell has been using O2 sensors feeding back to the ECU since 1999 model year? How could you not have known this first?  And nothing mentioned in your post actually adds much power. This engine is totally new, not a cousin of a Harley-Davidson engine, and I would beware hop-up parts that show up quickly from the aftermarket. It's not a derivative of any other engine, and it will take tuners some time before they know how to modify without hurting it. | ||
| Court |
Hey . . . even **I** knew that and I'm a frickin' construction worker! Wasn't Buell a leader in developing a Closed Loop System?    | ||
| M1combat |
WTF? The 1125R doesn't have a carburetter? I'm not buying one ;). | ||
| Unibear12r |
Carburetter??? Whazzat? I'm still using a piece of carpet and a petrol drip in the intake tube! Where's the hand pump for the oiler on this newfangled contraption anyway??? | ||
| Firemanjim |
And FYI, the Power Commander is a Dynojet product----- | ||
| Buell920 |
Wasn't Buell a leader in developing a Closed Loop System? ? I think that's been around for some time now. it will take tuners some time before they know how to modify without hurting it. I think it will be less time than you think. there are some real savy people out there already looking at your "fingers" for more performance. but it's only engineering philosophy at this point until you build one for us.  (Message edited by buell920 on August 18, 2007) | ||
| 2kx1 |
OK how about some pics of the airbox so I know what needs to come out? | ||
| Vagelis46 |
With about 140 rear wheel Hp, there is no need for power upgrade ( I think). There will be a need for all of us to upgrade our riding style&abilities. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Here here!! I agree. 146hp at the crank should yield about 130 or so at the wheel. In a bike with a 54 inch wheelbase, weighing as little as the 1125 does, I'm willing to bet you'll get spit off pretty quickly if you don't have the skills to pilot it. | ||
| No_rice |
the turbo set ups i have been talking to people about should only add a little horse | ||
| Unibear12r |
Well, Microchop and I were both commenting on how restrictive that ram air intake looked on the cutaway bike. It does LOOK like a little air box work might add a few hp. | ||
| Metalstorm |
With about 140 rear wheel Hp, there is no need for power upgrade ( I think). +1 I was just telling a buddy of mine the other day that this bike has enough power (and such a broad band of usable power at that) in stock form to keep me very content. well.. in all honesty I will be very, very discontented for the next two years until I can afford to buy one. After that I'll be very content and happy.  | ||
| Trojan |
With about 140 rear wheel Hp, there is no need for power upgrade ( I think). I disagree. People will always want more power, and 146bhp at the crank isn't a huge amount by todays standards. Some people will want to race and more power is always welcome in that regard. Other people just want bragging rights at biker meets or magazine shoots. Either way, you can be pretty sure that parts will be available quite soon after the bike is launched. This engine is totally new, not a cousin of a Harley-Davidson engine, and I would beware hop-up parts that show up quickly from the aftermarket. It's not a derivative of any other engine, and it will take tuners some time before they know how to modify without hurting it. It may be a new engine, but at the end of the day it is still a pretty standard 4 valve twin and it won't take the aftermarket long to develop Power Commanders, exhausts etc. | ||
| Chadhargis |
The only power upgrade it might need is to get rid of all the EPA mandated crapola that chokes all engines and mandates they run too lean. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I just picked up an old beater KLR-250... I doubled it's horsepower for $3 in an evening by undoing everything previous owners had done to "improve horsepower". First I restricted the intake, next I restricted the exhaust. I've increased the effective horsepower of my 9sx as well... by dropping 20 pounds on a low-carb diet over the past couple months. YMMV...  | ||
| Ironhead1977 |
Bill, I hear ya and agree with what your saying totally. | ||
| Pammy |
"With about 140 rear wheel Hp, there is no need for power upgrade ( I think)." Blasphemy! I almost threw up a little, when I read that. Enough horsepower...that goes right along with having enough money, being thin enough, etc... Oh, now I have a head ache....moan... | ||
| Coal400 |
I agree about not needing more power. I don't intend to take the 1125r to the track but for a few times. I'm not looking to race, and I'm not apposed to the occasional wheelie but I like to keep the front tire on the ground. Here's a good example, IMO, of what too much power does on the street. "Nice place to visit, but would not want to live there" Video actually starts 1 min 50 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-ppGiwc0wQ I'm sure a few have already seen this one. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
146 Hp is announced by Buell for the crank. I am expecting about 135-140 Hp to reach the back wheel, since the Aprilia RSV 1000cc (Rotax engine)is getting 128 rear wheel Hp. So the 1125R with its extra 125cc, and a better airbox design (just look at the RSV's air filter and laugh!)will do something like 135-140 Hp. This is a lot of power, for anyone. It might sound "little" compared to the 160 rear wheel Hp from the IL4s, but in real life it is much more. The power from the IL4s is like a hammer made of glass. Hit it hard enough and it breaks (well actually the rear wheel spins, and you highside). OK, racing is another story......But just look of the 999 success over the IL4s in WSBK. I am happy & proud that Buell announces Hp values that are close to reality, and not lying big time to the riders. Ducati used to do that a few years ago, with announced Hp close to rear wheel Hp. Now they are doing what the Japs have being doing for as long as I can remember. Lying to us! Ducati say 160Hp for the 1098 with about 140-142Hp reaching the rear wheel. Where did the rest of the Hp go?? Marketing, markerting, marketing..... | ||
| Trojan |
But just look of the 999 success over the IL4s in WSBK Without Bayliss the 999 would have been rendered uncompetitive long ago against the latest generation IL4's. Ducati had a head start on everyone in WSB for a long time until the other teams got their traction control and electronics packages up to speed. Now Ducatis 999 is not in the same ball park as the opposition. Enough power is never enough, ask any Hayabusa owner | ||
| Nicozzzz |
depend ever about the use that you make of the bike .. on the road you drive torque not HP !! this is why in mountain roads, all the xb ulysses included can fight with r1 in the corners .. on the truck is another story , if you go on ducati museum for 2001 troy bayliss 998 they declare 189 HP so I think that actual superbike 999 are over 200 HP .. as you can easily imagine that actual 4 cylinder jap of superbike are around 220/230 HP .. they start from over 180 on road models . anyway on the road use 146 at crank are a lot more than what you need .. we bought HP but we drive the torque ! | ||
| Jimidan |
Nicozzz sez: depend ever about the use that you make of the bike .. on the road you drive torque not HP !! this is why in mountain roads, all the xb ulysses included can fight with r1 in the corners .. Agreed, but may I add that what I have noticed on mountain roads is that he who has the most balls (read: craziest) wins, regardless of what he is riding. I have heard that there is a certain downhill section of the Dragon where a local bets squids bike-for-bike that he can beat them coasting with the plugs pulled out...and he has never lost. | ||
| Nicozzzz |
of course who ride make the difference ever, if you put valentino rossi on a two stroke 125 bike in a flat cornering road probably will beat all of us in the same road with an hayabusa under the ass (Message edited by nicozzzz on August 21, 2007) (Message edited by nicozzzz on August 21, 2007) | ||
| Rfischer |
Remember Carol Shelby's immortal words after winning LeMans with a stock-block NASCAR 427 powered GT-40 competing against higher HP, faster Ferraris et al: "Horspower sells cars - torque wins races" And more recently the Audi diesel P1 endurance racers [despite a weight disadvantage]. | ||
| Spike |
Not sure we really want to start this again, but since it's torque that matters and not horsepower, which of these bikes accelerates the quickest?  | ||
| M1combat |
Why is it acceleration that you feel is the most important benefit of torque? | ||
| Ducxl |
If,and when i add this new machine it'd stay bone stock.Bone stock.Buell motor company did a first rate job engineering this machine.Of course,my two other Buells' are bone stock as well. | ||
| Mcgiver |
In answer to Spike's question, On a tight mountain the Buell . On a race track, or drag strip, I would bet on any of the Jap bikes. Most street riders do not, or can not, take tight corners with their engines reving high enough to exit in the sweet part of their powerbands. Buells are always in the sweet part of their powerbands. Exceptions, yes, But this is what I have found.(I do ride with a lot of highly experienced riders.) Brian | ||
| Coal400 |
I can appreciate low end torque and a flat curve - my other vehicle is a cummins/dodge.  |
