| Author | Message | ||
     Nicozzzz |
Wow this is a great news new 2 stroke buell eheh I think in all the world 2stroke remind to the people the sweet young years .. but seriusely the 2 stroke engine are out of time today with the new technologies the 4 stroke engine are light (not HD power plant  ) as the 2 stroke and give a more drivable power ! so what did you expect from Buell now that is missing only 23 days to the homecoming? I think the new model is now ready to be showed and every day a few elite of selected people are tuching her fantastic plastic .... I would like to say hallo to Court ( I'm angelo we speak at phone when I'was driving to daytona to miami.. i'm one of the 4 tribù 6800 italian's club members that comes to daytona in march for the bike week ) and hallo to the very friendly guys that wait for us for the BBQ thanks again... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Excaliber? "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!"  | ||
| Cheesebeast |
I guess I am the only one here who is hearing the sounds of coconuts being knocked together? 2008 Buell African Swallow! I suppose it doesn't have much marketing "zip" to it, unfortunately. | ||
| Rd3501 |
2 strokes out of time..wrong..Just no one wanted to put the time or money into them. Companies make more money on 4 strokes/parts than 2 strokes. Why is this..Well there is more moving parts in a 4 stroke so Bimota tried to make a direct injec bike 500 and it fail miserably. Aprilia has the first usable direct injec 2 stroke motor, fuel injected that passes Euro 3 that they have been using for years. You can see it, ride it. Its the SR50 R Factory Scooter.. The best sport scooter made hands down.. So yes if Aprilia can do so can Buell. | ||
| 07xb12scg |
2 strokes out of time..wrong..Just no one wanted to put the time or money into them. Exactly! And it's a crying shame because 2 stroke engines are so fun. 2 strokes were getting more reliable and less maintenance intensive as technology improved. The complete opposite is happening with 4 stroke engines. Take a 450cc dirt bike engine for example. They are revving much higher and making much more power than the old 4 stroke engines, but they need to be rebuilt as often as 2 stroke engines. | ||
| Cheesebeast |
Fine, I have become completely unhinged. The name will probably have something to do with weather. Firebolt, Lightning, cyclone, etc. So, which new weather term could be used for this new bike? Buell Aurora. It leaves odd tire tracks and is only rumored to exist. Buell Blizzard. Comes with your choice of candy toppings. Buell Cirrus is weak. Buell Nimbus is better. Buell Dust Devil, no. Buell Funnel Cloud, boring. Buell F5? Kansas fears it. I would rather like a Buell F5. Buell Heat stroke? Buell Heat wave? Nah, too hard on the elderly. Buell Hailstorm- bike comes pre-dented. Buell Jet Stream. Definitely a direct injected two stroke. Buell Lake Effect Snow- very popular model in Buffalo Buell Mammatocumulus You like it. Admit it! Buell Microburst. Good name for a minibike? Buell Nor'easter. Won't sell in Texas. Buell Ozone. Get her in the zone on the new Buell Ozone! Buell Psychrometer. If it is too much for you then lie down and rest. Buell Rainbow. Yes, I am joking. Now get your hand off my knee. Buell Rip Current. Stay out of the water, Suzy. Buell Shear. Rips your wings off. Buell Tsunami...no, won't do. Hurricanes and Tornados are already used, too. Buell Typhoon is pretty cool though. Buell Twister reminds me of a girl in a tight sweater. I need to lay down and rest for a while. No one would buy a Buell Waterspout. I suppose it would be a so-so name for a jetski, though. Buell Vortex...Hmm. Probably taken by something else. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Bimota tried to make a direct injec bike 500 and it fail miserably. My company worked on DI two strokes in the late 90's. It is tough to get good transitions and throttle response. Works OK with boats because you don't have a direct conection with the water like you do with the road, some slush. Scooters have centrifigal clutch drives and generally function in a narrow RPM band. It has not been done successfully during big RPM and load transitions, especially when hooked up to pavement. At least when I was involved, that was not yet solved. | ||
| Mndwgz |
Rotax makes wicked powerful 2 strokes, and they are easy to tweak a lot more out of. Cl1ck over there on the mndwgz on the left. That's a 583cc, 125hp in the 1990's project bike. Eric thought it was a great idea when we talked to him way back when. Spatten1, clutches can be tuned to do whatever you want them to do. That was set up to engage @ 1200 and it would idle along or smoke the tire at will. (Message edited by mndwgz on June 13, 2007) (Message edited by mndwgz on June 13, 2007) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Rotax makes wicked powerful 2 strokes, and they are easy to tweak a lot more out of Are they direct injection? Are they in full-sized motorcycles with multi-gear transmissions and non-centrifugal clutches? That is where we struggled. | ||
| Js_buell |
I'm not 100% sure but isn't it Rotax that make the engine for the Ktm superduke? If so yes they have multi-gear and they are very powerful but don't have the character of the Buell motor and thats why I still want a Buell over the way more powerful superduke. | ||
| Mndwgz |
Are they direct injection? Are they in full-sized motorcycles with multi-gear transmissions and non-centrifugal clutches? That is where we struggled. Used carbs back then, didn't have DI... Trannys just were too heavy and power suckers. Superduke's a 4 stroke, like the BMW used also (Message edited by mndwgz on June 13, 2007) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Yeah, Mike Fisher killed a few Supercross races on those Rotax powered KTMS. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Great post Cheesebeast! The name will probably have something to do with weather. Firebolt, Lightning, cyclone, etc. . Ahh, but "Ulysses" broke that precedent, so we could have more Latin names for characters in ancient Greek literature. As I am virtually completely ignorant on the subject, someone else will have to expound on this... | ||
| Cheesebeast |
MotoGP has banned the use of 2 strokes from 2007 on for a period of five years. Buell, however, has a history of success in the face of cruel fate. I do not understand the technical hurdles a two stroke would face. I am sure they are high. It is just that it would work within what little I understand of the Buell philosophy. Small parts count. KISS. Think creatively, but use the parts at hand and leave the unobtanium fiber wrapped parts for companies with a wish to go out of business. Buell has the technology and the lessons learned from history to make a two stroke work. Would it be a viable product for day-to-day riding, however? Engine rebuilds do run contrary to the "low maintenance" ideal that the XB series manifests. Still, all those years of "put a real engine in it" must have had an effect. Wouldn't a [successful] two stroke be a shot into the heart of both the critics and competitors alike? I think it would require a new stamp be placed on the frame: Certified 100% Completely Bitchin' | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
Greek what the hell i thought it was named after the president/gerneral Ulysses S. Grant. | ||
| Mndwgz |
Tennyson's Ulysses presents an aging king who has seen too much of the world to be happy sitting on a throne idling his days away. Leaving the task of civilizing his people to his son, he gathers together a band of old comrades "to sail beyond the sunset". The Ulysses Club was formed for older motorcyclists at the instigation of Stephen Dearnley in Sydney, Australia in 1983. It is the largest organization of its kind in Australia and it now has branches in Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Norway and United Kingdom. The name Ulysses Club, and the club's motto "Grow Old Disgracefully" were the ideas of Rob Hill. Peter Thoeming sketched the "old man" logo used by the club. The inaugural meeting of the club was held in Sydney on 6th December, 1983 when the five people present approved a basic constitution and the Ulysses Club was duly formed. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses Buell Typhoon is pretty cool though GMC/Chevy had that one, wild little truck} | ||
| Cheesebeast |
Darn it, Hughlysses! I hadn't thought about that! Let me do a bit of necromancy and see if I can call up the ghost of Edith Hamilton to help us out. Buell Pegasus: The winged horse Pegasus would be a natural choice. You don't even have to change the logo! Buell Perseus: Perseus rode Pegasus. He is the dude who lopped the head off of Medusa. He also was quite successful rescuing (and I assume de-flowering) maidens. Buell Achilles: Cool bike, but destined to have belt trouble. Buell Spartan: An affordable bike with a very uncomfortable seat. Buell Cerberus: Pronounced kerberos. No one likes to have their pronunciation corrected. Particularly when you are shopping in a Harley Davidson dealership. Buell Hercules: Not bad, but not that great either. Buell Atlas: Incredible torque, no top end. Buell Oedipus: No headlights. Buell Trojan: Seat is ribbed for your pleasure. Buell Athena: She was hot. Too hot for mortals. Couldn't be ridden, in other words. Buell Argo: Too much opportunity to be called an "argonut". Buell Aeneus: He kicked ass, but his name was Aeneus. Just won't work. Buell Cyclops: Just doesn't give a positive vibe. Buell Ares: I like it. I do. A god of war doesn't back down from a challenge. Buell Pandora. Don't go there. Ditto Hermes. Buell Nike. Sounds familiar. Don't know where I heard it, though. Buell Thor. We can go into Norse names too, right? Buell Odin. Not shabby. | ||
| Onthebumper |
From what I understand the bikes are named after planes used in one of the World War's but can't remember which one. | ||
| Hughlysses |
From what I understand the bikes are named after planes used in one of the World War's but can't remember which one. Wow, I guess that means "Bad Weather Bikers" should have been "WWII Fighter Plane Bikers" all this time... Let's see, there are lots of those that haven't been used for motorcycles, but there might be copyright issues with some of them. (I'll stick with Allied planes to avoid nationality issues): Buell Black Widow Buell Corsair Buell Hellcat Buell Hurricane (there's another one that works either way) Buell Mustang Buell Spitfire Buell Tomahawk Buell Typhoon (yet another weather/fighter name) (Message edited by hughlysses on June 13, 2007) | ||
| Cheesebeast |
I like the sound of Buell Tomahawk. I have dated both hellcats and spitfires in the past. Too much history there for me personally. Edit to add: I hope I didn't marry a black widow, though. (Message edited by Cheesebeast on June 13, 2007) | ||
| Ridrx |
Hellcat is taken by Confederate. Hurricane smacks of 80's Honda sportbikes(I had 2, loved'em). Typhoon brings an all wheel drive turbo S-10 Blazer to mind. Mustang...Ford might complain. | ||
| Anonymous |
Buell Thor Been there, done that. As some may know . . . | ||
| Jackelfox |
there was a p-38 lightning, also the original name of the A-10 (current ground attack plane more affctionatly named warthog now) also the Thunderbolt was also a successful American fighter p-47 i believe. no firebolts, i could have sworn there was a british fighter named cyclone but i guess not, only association was "cyclone engines" used to power alot of early wwII planes. (Message edited by jackelfox on June 13, 2007) | ||
| Mndwgz |
Chrysler has tomahawk  | ||
| Jackelfox |
which i think is a great example of a motorcycle design without any concept of why people ride motorcycles... ... or at least why i do | ||
| Blake |
Westwind, Thunderstorm, Thunderbolt, Lightning, Cyclone, Blast, Firebolt, Ulysses, Epic hero theme... Excalibur... King Arthur... Holy Grail... Maybe the Buell "Crusader"? Blake like! | ||
| Jackelfox |
cultural issues there, which makes one wonder if enough Buells even make it to the middle east to matter. ... Court did mention Dubai though. | ||
| Mndwgz |
Maybe the Buell "Crusader marine engines} | ||
| Cheesebeast |
Is the Infidel the naked version of the Crusader? | ||
| Ridrx |
Only a showpiece to display the Viper engine( it was called the worlds most technologically advanced display case by the PR guy at the first auto show I saw it at)...never intended to build/sell. However it does run, turn and brake very well if you can believe that(there is a video of it running through a canyon, haven't seen it in years though). |
