| Author | Message | ||
     Thealarmpro |
I think it is a good effort considering that EBR is a startup company, this is after all the first production year of these bikes. What we should hope for is that as the brand ages and they have a few years under their belt the styling will smooth out. A year ago these bikes were on a drawing board somewhere. | ||
| Fubuloubu |
Looks can definitely get worked on, but I'm really digging the white color for a naked bike! | ||
| Ljm |
So, here's something interesting: the rear shock is different than the RX. Looks like a collar on the bottom end, or more in the way of adjustments? Be nice to have some adjustability in the ride height. | ||
| Hughlysses |
So, here's something interesting: the rear shock is different than the RX. Looks like a collar on the bottom end, or more in the way of adjustments? Be nice to have some adjustability in the ride height. Good catch. You can see the collar on the SX in the comparison photos below.   | ||
| Hughlysses |
Blown up photo of shock collar from the opposite side:  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Great side by side picture! I think it suggests the SX is geared differently as well, look at the path of the chain towards the front sprocket relative to the swingarm. | ||
| Dmhines |
Yup .. looks like a smaller front sprocket. | ||
| Sparky |
Maybe it has a shorter spring and the collar/adjuster takes up some of the space to keep the same ride height.  | ||
| 1313 |
So, here's something interesting: the rear shock is different than the RX. The rear shock on my RX (#269) looks just like the shock pictured on the SX above. That picture of a red RX must be of a pre-production bike. If you look at the pictures on www.erikbuellracing.com, you'll see in the shots showing the right side of the RX, the 'collar' is silver and at the upper (frame) end of the shock (which would make it a complete bear to adjust, methinks). Unless it was a running change on the RX's, or until I'm informed otherwise, I'm going to believe that the SX rear shock is the same as a production RX rear shock. There are some other differences between the red RX pictured above and mine as well. The rear axle location on my RX matches the SX rear axle position better than the red RX pictured above, for one. Most, if not all, of the production RX's have a cutout in the right fairing presumed to be for clearance to the clutch line fitting. This cutout is not shown on any of the RX's on www.erikbuellracing.com And I've noticed one running change that I can recall at this time. Early RX's have billet Vortex clip on brackets, while later RX's (like mine) have what I presume to be - made for EBR - cast or forged clip on brackets. Sorry to be so wordy, when in the end, it just means I will be waiting for official specs rather than speculating on some pretty pictures on the internet. Sorry if I burst anyone's bubble but, by all means, feel free to continue to speculate on the SX if you'd like. 1313 | ||
| Gemini |
If you take side by side pics of the rear wheel and count the links between lower shark fun and upper chain cover, you will find rear sprocket has same teeth count | ||
| Reepicheep |
Right Gemini, but if the front sprocket dropped a tooth, that would explain the different chain angle going in to the front sprocket cover, and would represent about a 10% gear reduction. (Not that doing that yourself would be rocket science or anything regardless of how it comes from the factory) | ||
| Gemini |
Time will tell. I think our eyes are victims of optical illusion due to the difference in belly pans. The chain is almost identically located in relation to lower edge of peg bracket. This will be subject to chain slack. A change in front sprocket by itself should have no effect to chain angle due to idler pulley located behind foot peg. | ||
| Mog |
HMmmmmm I know that Erik has had his eye on this this electric power train and may have had more to do with this new bike's genesis than many might imagine. http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/19/news/companies/harley-electric/index.html?iid=TL_Popular The thought of HD getting a leg up must sting a bit..... but not for long, not for long !!!!   to HD!!! | ||
| Mog |
Hey, where the heck is my post of the HD electric bike I just made a minute ago? Can't you take the heat??  | ||
| Mog |
Last try at getting this photo out of the HD electric from Money.cnn.com After this I give up.  | ||
| Sparky |
Your expectations apparently exceed the speed of your internet provider. LOL | ||
| Gregtonn |
There was some debate awhile ago as to whether this bike was real or just a movie mock-up. It's real. A little text to go with those pictures. Harley-Davidson Introduces Electric Motorcycle Thu, 06/19/2014 - 8:18am by M.l. Johnson - Associated Press Harley-Davidson will unveil its first electric motorcycle next week, and President Matt Levatich said he expects the company known for its big touring bikes and iconic brand to become a leader in developing technology and standards for electric vehicles. Harley will show handmade demonstration models Monday at an invitation-only event in New York. The company will then take several dozen riders on a 30-city tour to test drive the bikes and provide feedback. Harley will use the information it gathers to continue refining the bike, which might not hit the market for several more years. The venture is a risk for Harley because there's currently almost no market for full-size electric motorcycles. The millions of two-wheeled electric vehicles sold each year are almost exclusively scooters and low-powered bikes that appeal to Chinese commuters. But one analyst said investment by a major manufacturer could help create demand, and Levatich emphasized in an interview with The Associated Press that Harley is interested in the long-term potential, regardless of immediate demand. "We think that the trends in both EV technology and customer openness to EV products, both automotive and motorcycles, is only going to increase, and when you think about sustainability and environmental trends, we just see that being an increasing part of the lifestyle and the requirements of riders," Levatich said. "So, nobody can predict right now how big that industry will be or how significant it will be." At the same time, Levatich and others involved in creating the sleek, futuristic LiveWire predicted it would sell based on performance, not environmental awareness. With no need to shift gears, the slim, sporty bike can go from 0 to 60 mph in about 4 seconds. The engine is silent, but the meshing of gears emits a hum like a jet airplane taking off. "Some people may get on it thinking, 'golf cart,'" lead engineer Jeff Richlen said. "And they get off thinking, 'rocket ship.'" One hurdle the company has yet to address is the limited range offered by electric motorcycles. The batteries must be recharged after about 130 miles, and that can take 30 minutes to an hour. San Jose State University police Capt. Alan Cavallo helped his department buy two bikes from Zero Motorcycles, the current top-selling brand, and said officers have been "super happy" with the quiet, environmentally friendly bikes made nearby in Scotts Valley, California. But he said American riders who like to hit the highway would likely lose patience with the technology. "That's the deal with the cars; you can't jump in a Tesla and drive to LA, it won't make it," Cavallo said, adding later, "People want the convenience of 'I pull into a gas station, I pour some gas in my tank and I go.'" Zero Motorcycles introduced its first full-size motorcycle in 2010 and expects to sell about 2,400 bikes this year, said Scott Harden, the company's vice president of global marketing. That would give it about half of the global market for full-size, high-powered electric motorcycles. In comparison, Harley-Davidson alone sold more than 260,000 conventional motorcycles last year. But John Gartner, a research director for the consulting firm Navigant, said having large, well-funded companies get into the electric motorcycle market could give it a significant boost. The major automakers helped drive sales for hybrid and electric cars, he noted. "Their marketing budgets are much larger and they have dealerships set up everywhere, and so it's much easier for companies like Ford, BMW and Honda to advertise about their electric vehicles," he said. Levatich said true growth will require common standards for rapid charging and other features, as well as places for people to plug in. Harley expects to play a key role in developing electric vehicle standards, and its dealership network could provide charging stations to serve all drivers, he said. "We've been very silent up to this point about our investment in EV technology," Levatich said. "... but now that we're public, and we're in this space, we expect to be involved and a part of leading the development of the standards, and the technology and the infrastructure necessary to further the acceptance and the utility of electric vehicles." G | ||
| Gregtonn |
If anyone were to ask me (they haven't yet) I would say it is the best looking bike HD has ever built. It may also be the best performing. G | ||
| Reepicheep |
Why do you think that would Sting Mog? This just a fleet of concept bikes being demo'd under very controlled conditions that will highlight their strengths and hide their weaknesses. I find the EBR / Hero hybrid turbodiesel a much more compelling bike. If they sell it stateside for less than $4000 new or I could find one for $3000 used, I will be ***SORELY*** tempted to put one in the garage. | ||
| Noone1569 |
Why did the talk shift from the EBR 1190SX to a harley davidson here in the EBR board? lol | ||
| Mog |
Gregtonn, Reeicheep & Noone1569. In order of the comments. 1. It is the best looker for HD, so far IMO also. 2. Stings a bit because of what Erik could have done with HD but HD was in no mood to play.... therefore, now a much better company of EBR. I am quite sure Erik laid a lot of the ground work, ideas and impetus. A hybrid is not a pure electric vehicle (where I believe Erik's head will someday be totally and engineeringly committed). 3. I submitted the photo and money.cnn site because it appeared on my investing page NOT my motorcycle stuff... that is a bit odd for me. So I am guilty of placing the photo three times (yes the ISP was down). So throw me into "off topic hyperspace".  | ||
| Reepicheep |
I understand the difference between a pure electric and a hybrid. It's the difference between a niche toy and a usable motorcycle. 50 mile range on a hybrid with a diesel backup is a commuter I could use that would be 90% electric for me. 50 mile range on a pure electric is a commuter that would be a 0% electric bike for me, as it is a non starter, because my commute is about 50 miles, and I don't want to be wondering if I will be pushing the last 3 miles on a hot day or with a headwind, and be unable to run an unexpected errand during the day. That's why I think the EBR electric is better... its a real electric motorcycle without range limits. And it's a little camp / backup generator if the power goes out. It's brilliant. | ||
| Mog |
"That's why I think the EBR electric is better... its a real electric motorcycle without range limits." It is not a real 'electric' BUT a real 'electric hybrid'. As engineers and designers..... words have meanings, Hybrids have more parts and therefore a small reliability problem (this month's June 2014 Design News page 20). The Hero hybrid is neat and therefore it is just what you want.... good. I like it a lot too. I am talking about a full out battery operated 150 mile per 1 hour charge range and a top speed of over 150 mph (under 10 seconds with no wheelies). May I mention by a novice rider too.  I have been painfully aware of the technology for over 25 years..... and fully expect Erik to have a working prototype in about three years. First is to get the RX, SX and AX out the door and win some races. Go Erik!!!! | ||
| Ulyranger |
Being a slave to high Kw charges out of an outlet does not appeal to me. The right electric that can charge itself just seems smarter.....and much more convenient. A pure plug in vehicle is a short hop, metro ride, one that is free of the outlet is freedom to go any where..... My 02 | ||
| Court |
Hmmmmm . . .. . . over 2 weeks and not a peep on the EBR website. | ||
| Alchemy |
Skipping over the many discussions electric vehicles bring up in general, I would think in the next year or two we should see a variety of 100 mile range electric motorcycles continue to appear. The pure electric vehicle in its simplicity should make for some interesting motorcycle designs. The "range issue", that is the constant struggle for many, is not going away so it is about how it is addressed. From me, I would welcome a 100 mile range EV motorcycle with a bolt on or tow behind range extender. I would also like the EV power source to be upgradeable since the technology is evolving. On a car, an integral range extender is tolerable but for a motorcycle I would not want to have to drag around a range extender all the time. I just want to use it when I plan a longer ride. A little extra storage space would not hurt and the bike should be smart enough to make adjustments when the range extender is on-board. | ||
| Jayvee |
I wouldn't need the top speed of 150. Maybe 90 - 100 would be plenty for me. | ||
| Mog |
 I am 6' 3" and just love this diminutive electric bike. More later.   | ||
| Sparky |
Mog, as interesting as your thread diversions are, what does this have to do with the 1190SX, dude? Why don't you man up and create your own futuristic motorcycle thread? | ||
| Blake |
What Sparky said! |
