| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
An excerpt from http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/return-cagiva / According to its plan, Harley-Davidson is going to develop and launch a number of new model lines under the Cagiva name, with the popular Raptor being the first to see the new light, as early as mid-2010. Rumors expect the bike to feature a 140hp, 1125cc liquid-cooled v-twin, likely the Rotax engine that’s also used on the Buell 1125R and the 1125CR. | ||
| 46champ |
Blake where do you find these obscure websites? I read several different blogs on different bikes this article wasn't bad but I noticed an anti H-D bias in several blogs and Mr. Roehr's bike got slammed I suppose because it has a Harley. Or maybe I'm just to conspiratorial. | ||
| Blake |
Google search uncovered it. | ||
| Trojan |
This whole 'insider' rumour started from a badly photoshopped 1125 with Cagiva badges. Some of the press then ran with it without checking sources and even 'gilded the lily' by adding company plans for follow on models (as in the above article). What they seem to forget is that any move to re-establish the Cagiva brand using Buell motors would be at the expense of, and could even lead to the demise of, Buell. Would the MoCo really want to do that? Believe it when you see it, but don't hold your breath. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
This is not that bad.....  What is H-D plan ??? | ||
| Gohot |
You know something struck me just now. Mabe there was not ever going to be sucess with MV Agusta being sold in Harley Davidson showrooms. It's kind of the Slick Guchi dressed guy/gal going into 'MAK's BAR & GRill' with a bunch of denim and leather 1%'ers. Just TOO different of lifestyles. I'm sure there would be comments and opinions thrown both ways right there in the stores. Oh well it was just a thought? | ||
| Rohorn |
Considering the typically dismal level of "journalism" on A&R (and all the rest of those "National Enquirer for Motorcycling" blogs), well, there's nothing else worth noting. Their "business" depends on their hit counter - I'm not interested in helping them out. | ||
| Richsm2 |
So, all of sudden, the hd dealers are going to turn into hi tech shops with the latest of all things and the bikes( because now thy list for 20k + or any other reason you might put here) are not only up to speed and NOT put in the back corner but running with whatever is your big boy? It like a lawnmower shop opening on monday( sunday sells bikes)selling motogp bikes in your favorite color or whatever you might want to put here. | ||
| Darkitekt |
Don't know that I would put too much stock into an article with the publish date of: Posted Wednesday, December 31st, 2008 @ 3:19 pm But, it's interesting to think about... | ||
| Sdecp |
Even if this is true, HD is totally missing the point. It was the American sport styling that attracted me to the Buell line. When I want an Italian bike, I will go buy one. Man I am so upset Buell is gone, I feel like a part of me has just died. | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
Yeah SD, they are retarded. The first time I saw a new 97 S1 and test rode one...well beat on... on the freeway...I knew someday I had to have a Buell with the other bike. If you want success, you have to get more people buying your things and hd has proved they have a sick death wish. | ||
| Fast2win |
That article is a year old. In case you haven't heard their for sale now under the MV banner. | ||
| Froggy |
Hell this thread is almost a year old too  | ||
| Ottobotz |
F#*K the rest of them! I'd like to see Buell Racing compete on the world's stage. I seriously think he could give them a run!!! | ||
| Chevnut55 |
went to my local buell dealer this week,they are adding on and selling triumphs..what was wrong with buells.i was listing to the h/d lovers talking about how the went to the race track at bike week when buells were racing,the seemed mad they ere selling (limey bikes)? | ||
| Exploredasurf |
I'm sorry still laughing gucci and 1% er's, Its comments like that that harley probally wanted to do away with all the other bikes, you guys scared 'em | ||
| Jak49 |
hd can't seem to understand that I am done with their ship anchors they call motorcycles. They just keep sending ads and articles about this and that. I told them to knock it off and quit wasting my time. They hosed Buell, never promoted the Buell line properly and then didn't offer someone else the chance to buy the company. If hd goes by the wayside, so be it! | ||
| Rudolf35 |
A few weeks before HD killed Buell I was looking at at a XR Sporty. The bike road like crap and I made up my mind to go the BMW way (got a GS). Anyway, I got a few more calls from the stealer to see if I am still in the market for a Sporty - told them that I went BMW and to bugger off. Went in a few weeks after that looking for some brake pads for the Uly (let them go a bit to long and a ride was coming up). They wanted $60 for a set of front pads. Told them what about EBC's - was told either take the overpriced under performing HD crap or bugger off. All in all, that set my mind in cement as far as HD goes - Have not set foot in a HD shop in months and will keep it that way; no matter which M/C co. they purchase. | ||
| Phwx2 |
I'm looking at a 1125cr in one HD shop and two 1125r in another. It feels good. After years of HD making their money selling over priced crap I get a chance to make them sell me the best bikes ever to grace their store at screw HD prices. It is the only upside of this mess. | ||
| Doug_s |
from Jak49: "hd can't seem to understand that I am done with their ship anchors they call motorcycles. They just keep sending ads and articles about this and that. I told them to knock it off and quit wasting my time. They hosed Buell, never promoted the Buell line properly and then didn't offer someone else the chance to buy the company. If hd goes by the wayside, so be it!" "so be it"? don't you mean "YEEHAW!"? i'd be thrilled to see h-d go under. except for the fact that usa taxpayers would likely foot the bill of bailing them out; i waited patiently for years for gm to go under, only they are still around, and i am stuck w/being partial owner of 60% of that god-awful p.o.s. company.  oh well... doug s. | ||
| Nobuell |
Doug s, Why would you hope for the demise of any US company? | ||
| Berto |
Doug S,I hope you go under.I sincerely hope you lose everything you have ever worked for.To wish for Americans to lose their jobs just because you don't like their company is very Fu**ed up.Here's to you being homeless very soon. | ||
| Doug_s |
wow - such venom.  where did i ever say anything about wanting americans to lose yobs. (ok - i confess - i'd love it to happen to the ceo's/boardmembers/etc.) i have no problem w/the hondas made in ohio by americans, nissans made in tennessee by americans, mazdas made in illinois by americans, bmw's made in s carolina by americans, etc, etc, etc. what i refuse to willingly support is ceo's who earn an average of 300 times what their workers earn - and that, folks, is american ceo's. in the rest of the civilized world, ceo's earn ~30 times what their workers earn. seems plenty enough for me. why blame me for the demise of american industry - blame corporate greed, tax laws encouraging american companies to relocate offshore, and shite products. sorry, i do not willingly support that type of behaviour. sometimes you cannot help it, but i would prefer to buy a vehicle from a foreign-owned company, especially if they manufacture product on american soil. buells, for me, were an exception - they are something different, erik buell is something unique. now that hd has shown its true colors, screw hd. having been unemployed a coupla times in my career, i feel bad for anyone in that situation. yes, i have lost everything, and have had to start over. and, i hope it doesn't happen to me (or anyone) again. there's certainly no safety net for the working class in this country. doug s. ps - i wouldn't wish being homeless on anyone, even those who i disagree with.  | ||
| Berto |
"i'd be thrilled to see h-d go under" "i waited patiently for years for gm to go under" Unless I have taken these quotes out of context it seems to me you want people to lose jobs. | ||
| Doug_s |
berto, you can look at something w/blinders or look at the big picture. i try not to support those companies that are into excessive corporate and executive compensation, and are into americans losing jobs by outsourcing. i try not to support companies that try to increase short-term profits by cutting corners on quality. gm & hd are the ones wanting americans to lose jobs, not me - it is better for their corporate bottom line. ymmv, doug s. | ||
| Froggy |
The current GM CEO is getting paid $1.7 million before tax, plus stock. The average GM hourly employee makes $27/hr + full benefits and retirement. That is about $56k in pay alone per year. So $56k times 300 equals $16.8 million. So this 30 times number would be $1.68 million, a few bucks more than what the current GM CEO is making. Also you need to remember they pay a much higher percentage in taxes than the average assembly line worker. For what its worth, Derek Jeter gets paid $25 million a year. The CEO of the do no wrong Toyota also gets over a $1m a year.
Fixed. Most of the foreign car companies have a few plants here that make up a small percentage of their sales. The Toyota Camry for example sold in the US can be built in either the US or Japan. The Tacoma pickup is built in either the US or Mexico, and so on.
That depends on what you define as excessive. It is not easy to be a CEO.
Outsourcing is usually a direct result of share holders. Please find me one publicly traded large company that has not done outsourcing. Also, it depends on how you define it, because technically Buell outsourced production of the 1125R motor.
Don't look at Toyota then.
That must be why GM went through a massive restructuring recently to downsize, shed some fat, so it can regrow healthier and hire more people? | ||
| Keef |
that may very well be for the gm assembly line workers,it is NOT what they pay the people who repair them at the dealerships, and we do not get full benefits or retirement unless you pay for it yourself.. | ||
| Diablo1 |
The current GM CEO salary is historically very low. That's because they went bankrupt and were bailed out by the US governement. The Obama administration told them that they couldn't pay the new CEO like GM used to pay the old CEO (Wagoner) that rode them into bankruptcy. I'm sure if you check what Wagoner used to make, along with all his bonuses and other corporate gifts, you wouldn't have to throw a bake sale to help the guy out in retirement. | ||
| Court |
>>>Don't look at Toyota then. Or the new Camaro which has been plagued with problems. General Motors, since going bankrupt and since the government and UAW bought it, had gotten worse. Ford, the only company that refused government help, reported a record 3Q profit. General Motors, with all their downsizing and economies in place, lost over $1,000,000,000 in the 3 month period. The federal government does a terrible job of running government and a worse job of running private companies. | ||
| Diablo1 |
The federal government does a terrible job of running government and a worse job of running private companies. The government really doesn't have much effect in the day to day operations of any of the auto companies that were bailed out. You can't even begin to compare the amount of damage that was self inflicted by the Detroit 3 over the last few decades to what the government did since the bailout.} |
