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Firebolt428
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 08:17 pm: | 
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"The XBRR won't be able to keep up with the first 8 600cc bikes in FX"
I recall when Rich Conrath w/Barnes and Hals with Cicotto racing 2 years ago on the Buells in FX they finished in the top 10, qualified on the 2nd row several times and I believe Cicotto finished 5th one race. So I think with this new bike they will do just fine..I can't wait to see this thing on the track!!!!  } |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 08:28 pm: |
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Odinbueller said take Duhamel and Zemke out of the equation because they aren't running FX this year.
Wrong both are racing Daytona... then they will not be running FX. Duhamel gets to defend his Daytona title and beat Russel's record. |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 09:22 pm: |
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It is real simple. You open up a browser on March 8th and click on this address -
http://www.amasuperbike.com
Then click on the @theWire Live! Timing on the left hand side.
Then you start counting down the positions until you get to the Buells. Practice times are pretty much indicative of starting order, and finishing order.
How hard is that?
Oh, and there is a list of 31 people already entered in the Daytona 200 at that address as of today. Last year there were about 70 bikes entered. I just checked for sure.
Miguel Duhamel is the first listed.
(Message edited by jima4media on January 24, 2006) |
Josh_
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 09:58 pm: |
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>It is real simple.
At the end of the year, go to http://www.amasuperbike.com and if a XBRR is listed behind less than 8 600cc bikes during any race of the year, (or for Jimmy, if any of your listed racers places behind a XBRR) you send me $200. If not, I send you $200.
Jim? Jimmy? Raraf? who wants it? |
Medic_2512
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 09:59 pm: |
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I wish Buell could have made a street legal version of the RR like the Yamaha new R1 of the Ducati 999R.
Or maybe offer "Real" race kits for the XB`s like the Japs do. As soon as the Japs release a new bike they follow it up with race parts like cams, clutch upgrades, FI Controls and electronics, Head gaskets, and piston kits. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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Well, keep in mind that they release their new bikes for the next year in July. Let's wait and see what comes out then. They had to release the XBRR now for it to be able to race this year. |
Rex
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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no listing of number of valves? 2, 3, or 4? rex |
Jon
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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I could care less what the Buell naysayers say, and neither does Erik Buell. Buell knows what they are doing and watching them is fun. |
Rex
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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Another question...? what do you think of the blast and the new buell race motor? could this be converted over to the blast and used for short track racing? REX |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:45 pm: |
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When are we going to get some more pictures of this XBRR? The web coverage sucks. For a $31k product, they sure are being stingy with the pixels. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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Look in the sponsor section under Liberty Buell's section. There are more pics there. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:20 am: |
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Josh, I am lost, if the XBRR wins, who figuratively wins the money? |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:41 am: |
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>>>Josh, I am lost, if the XBRR wins, who figuratively wins the money?
BUELL
To quote Court . . . "I wouldn't miss Daytona this year for anything!" |
Jimmytwobuells
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 07:24 am: |
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I was just pointing out that the competition is pretty stiff at the 200. Believe me when I say I'll probably be the only one cheering on Buell at my Daytona party. I just think it's going to be tough for Buell to podium their first time out especially in a 200 mile race. I wonder if they have any quick change equipment for tire changes? I don't think anyone makes a tire that can last 200 miles and still stick to the track.
BTW, I put Blake Young in that group only because he's my homeboy! I raced against him in '02 when he first put wheels to tarmac at the age of 14! Kids fast! |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:33 am: |
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>>>>I was just pointing out that the competition is pretty stiff at the 200.
That's WHY it is (or at least WAS in the old days) the vaunted DAYTONA 200.
Buell has the ability to restore some of the glamor to the race.
CLARIFICATION: My comments yesterday were not directed at JNance, but at the negative Eyore-TYPE, "the sky is falling" posts that preceded it. To the degree needed, and for the benefit of anyone offended, I offer my clarification and apology. |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 09:26 am: |
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My comments yesterday were not directed at JNance
Wow, referenced in a post by Court! 
Thanks for taking the time for the clarification. I understood that you were not addressing me. |
Rubberdown
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 09:31 am: |
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Nance, as always, proud to know ya! |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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To those who wonder why Buell woul dbuild a FX bike but not build a superbike:
Two reasons;
First the FX bikes get to run the Daytona 200 one of the two or 3 most famous races in the world. Now it may not be what it used to be and the AMA is trying hard to screw it up more BUT, like the Isle of Man TT, the race itself resists the best efforts of man to make it not important.
Presenting Erik Buell the opportunity to race competivily in the Daytona is like ringing a bell for Pavlov's dog. Get the Handiwipes out.
Second we have hashed out the NO SUPERBIKE thing endlessly so I will keep it short. Superbike requires you to build racebikes for the street and Buell is not gonna do that.
As to when this RR will make it to production? I don't think it will. Many of the bits will be available, wheeels, brakes, etc for those who want to spend the money and the price of admission will be steep for most of it.
I strongly suspect that almost no parts from that engine will fit a current XB without a whole lot of work. The complete engine might fit without two much work but I suspect the price tag for it will be $10000. One could get most of the way to it's power for a lot less in the aftermarket.
Certainly things that are learned from this engine will make it to the street, Buell is always working to improve power on the engine, but I don't think this is a preview of the 2007 street bikes in any way.
In fact if a whole lot of potential buyers think they can wait till 2007 and buy this thing (thus depressing sales for 2006) Erik is gonna get slapped about by the marketing boys. I sure hope that doesn't happen.
My opinion is, if you pass on buying an '06 waiting on this to reach production you are passing on a summer of fun. Buy an '06 and ship soup it up if you want more power. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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>>>>Presenting Erik Buell the opportunity to race competivily in the Daytona is like ringing a bell for Pavlov's dog.
That will go down as one of the MOST ACCURATE statements ever uttered on Badweb. It will also become part of a very special chapter in the book.
Court - encouraging, as a non-sponsor, EVERYONE to go to www.davegess.com and order the commemorative RW750 picture. We are busy trying to get Dave and I in the same place, on the same Saturday night in Daytona to tell some GREAT stories! |
Richardcronrath
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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WOW, I'm impressed with Dave. I can only say so much without getting in trouble. |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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Dave you are no doubt right about that engine costing $10,000 from Buell.
The problem is you can buy a complete Yamaha FZ-1 for less than that, and it will kicks the XBRRs ass on the street.
So Buell has to come up with something this summer for the 2007 year, that is more competitive with what is out there in the marketplace. |
Lornce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:12 pm: |
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This is a VERY interesting development. Can anyone direct to engine info? 9k rpm?!?
Good on Mr. Buell and Co. for their ingenuity, creativity and hard work. |
Sarodude
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:14 pm: |
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Jeez, guys, you can buy an effing small block 350 for less and it'll beat the XB motor.
A number of us (me included) have been trained to use internal displacement as the sole determining factor in measuring power. Sometimes a paradigm shift is hard to affect.
If Buell built an IL4 WC 600 that needed to be bumped to 750 cc's just to keep up with the Japanese - then it's kinda screwey. But here we have totally different engine configurations.
Geez, why do the Japanese need four connecting rods?
Hey, why not class engines based on EXTERNAL displacement? Like in the external volume of the motor....
Historically, in the most awesome sports car racing, you'd get big freakin' American Iron motors racing against British featherweights and Italian 12 banger music making machines. Displacement was not the only factor.
Do the Japanese make more power / cc? Sure - more power per internal cc. Do they make more power per part? Per casting? Per bearing surface?
Geez, the nerve of the four stroke guys. They get TWICE the displacement of the 500cc GP two strokes. WTF is that all about?
They're just different.
Let's get over it already. These differences must be accepted. Sometimes it's just hard to fit 'em together in a way that makes everyone happy.
-Saro |
Tpoppa
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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"...The problem is you can buy a complete Yamaha FZ-1 for less than that, and it will kicks the XBRRs ass on the street..."
I am guessing that your job doesn't require drug testing. |
Telewoodski
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jan/060123c0a.htm |
Light_keeper
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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What a segway for a limited edition XB12R(R) street bike with a body kit. |
Lornce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:02 pm: |
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"A number of us (me included) have been trained to use internal displacement as the sole determining factor in measuring power. Sometimes a paradigm shift is hard to affect."
You mean like using dynamic swept volume as an equitable barometer to delineate a competitive class?
ie: 600cc x 17k rpm vs 1300cc x 8k rpm.
Hey, wait....
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M1combat
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:05 pm: |
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It happens all the time... We'll see an XBRR for the street. I'm sure the AMA has already received this "promise". Sometimes race and release schedules just don't meld well . |
M1combat
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:06 pm: |
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Exactly Lornce...
Some people just NEED something to complain about when they lose.
I'm sure everyone here understands that when a racer doesn't win... It's most certainly the fault of the equipment... |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:13 pm: |
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The problem is you can buy a complete Yamaha FZ-1 for less than that, and it will kicks the XBRRs ass on the street.
So Buell has to come up with something this summer for the 2007 year, that is more competitive with what is out there in the marketplace.
Jim, makes no sense. RR is not a street bike, runs in particular class and should be competitive there.
Buell is NOT INTERESTED in competing with the repli races on the street. You may want then to or need them to so you buy one but they are not at this time interested in it. |
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