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Bads1
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Titanium would be heavier then aluminum?????Blake on my mountain bike I have plenty of titanium parts that are much lighter then the aluminum pieces that I replaced on the bike.And they are much stronger as well????
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Nevco1
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep...The KLX was Kaw's attempt at going after the Honda Dual Purpose 650 meant for more more offroad work. Smaller tank capacity and a little body work are the two primary differences. There may have been a difference in gear ratios in 1st and 2nd as well.

If I remember correctly 1994 was the last year for the KLX. It really never caught on as it was niether a Honda or a KLR.

For more information, go to http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html

Have a great day!

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Nevco1
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep...KLR Part II

I had an '89 KLR that I beat the daylights out of until I sold it in 1999 when I returned to Wisconsin. Ran it through the mountains, forests, dry river beds, deserts and twisties all over So Cal and never had a problem. About the only thing it doesn't do well is float on deep sand. Don't ask!

Besides an engine rebuild and White Bros aluminum bash plate, the best thing I did to the bike was shod it with Michelin T66 Radials. They gripped like no other in the twisties and allowed controlled slides off road. Would even make an excellent SuperMoto tire. Made the bike handle a lot like a '60's scrambler. One by one all my KLR buddies ended up converting to them as well and praise them. That was not an easy sell until I let them ride my bike.

You can muscle the bike if you wish but it likes to be finessed off road. Work it in the loose stuff and you will learn how to control two wheel slides which I found added to my road skills immensely. That alone has saved my bacon many times. Heck, I even learned how to use curbs as berms on my FJ1200 and X1. Whoops! That was a real sphincter pincher.

The only negative I can think of is riding the tight forests at a quick pace. That is the playground for the 450's and below. The KLR's physical size would be it's biggest limitation in that environment.
Incidentally, starting with the solid blue models Kaw incorporated a balancer that improved the vibration a bit. However, the vibration was never as bad as the color palette used on the pre-blue models. LOL

On the humorous side...I wish HD or BMC would come out with a Dual Purpose Bike. If they did, the State of Wisconsin would do their political duty and open up the massive ATM trail network to motorcycles. Does anybody hear me???
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Nevco... thats exactly what I wanted to know.
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Tres_wright
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

==Is it just me or is the Pegasis, the unique symbol of Buell fast becoming extinct?==

Yeah, I hadn't noticed that either until you mentioned it. That's a drag, it's really a cool icon! My X-1 doesn't say Buell anywhere (except the gauge faces I think) but has those cool little Peg's all over the place.
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Court
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill:

The KLR is what you are looking for. Says much that the design, something like 14 years running, is pretty much unchanged. Sure, Id prefer a '95 over a '96 clutch and there are suttle nuances but they are all GREAT bikes that sell new for undr $5K.

Ever seen anyone circle the globe that wasn't on a KLR or a BMW GS? Damn few....

I have every book you could dream off if you need info and I think I have some spare sets of spare Ti hardware about.

Court
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Court
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tonight at 7:00 pm EST
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Road_thing
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, didn't you have strobes on that KLR, too?

r-t
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ummm rims???
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Phillyblast
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I have to agree. I never thought about it though till I read your post Madgaz. The Pegasus is on um, the key... The XB should have had a distinctive pegasus marking somewhere on the bike as well.



Like maybe on the front?
headlights????
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court - I just picked up a KLR650. I think it's a 94. The head is removed and dis-assembled but I'll have that taken care of shortly. You said you have some Ti pieces laying around? What and how much? I traded an '82 Honda CB750F-SS for it : ). Great deal if you ask me : ).
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Court
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don:

I've got KLR stuff out the gazoo around here ranging from every iteration of the service manuals to all the high zoot hardware kits I bought.

I'll be happy to just send you this stuff. E-mail me your address tonight and it'll go tomorrow along with

Shirts to Australia
CD's to Wisconson
Shirts to Philly
A matching set of Coach cabin bags to who the hell knows where to my wandering child.

The books are here to stay, I've a hankering that I've not seen my last KLR.

Strobes?....I'm not allow to discuss the matter while the subject of ongoing litigation.

The KLR had a flashing headlight modulator and I had the letter of authorization from the Federal Goavernment (USDOT) plastered on the tank. Yes, they are legal.

Best mods I ever made to the KLR was the suspension and the HUGE 320mm front brake (the KLR's acheilles heel).

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Awprior
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
T-shirts and patches to Hanover, PA too???
Alex
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Iamike
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
Don't give Alex any ideas about a KLR & around the world. He may just try it.
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Pdxs3t
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bad Weber's input!

I am about 90% finished building the web site for my new photo business that I hope to get off the ground (not trying to advertise Blake, please don't spank me too hard).

Would love to get some input from you all (it does have a motorcycle theme to it).

Thanks

Jim

http://www.digitalphotonorthwest.com
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Blake
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dana,

Titanium is a lot denser (heavier) than aluminum, like by 50%, but its alloys can be made a lot stronger too. I've never heard of wheels fabricated from titanium. Magnesium is lighter (less dense) than aluminum.

If your mountain bike's aftermarket titanium parts are lighter than the OEM aluminum parts they replaced, it is not because the titanium is lighter, its because the parts were more rigorously optimized in their design wrt weight and are comprised of a LOT less material. Heat treated aluminum alloys can be found with yield strengths exceeding 75,000 psi. Compare that to common structural steel with a yield strength of only 36,000 psi then compare it to the exotic heat treated steel alloys with yield strengths approaching 300,000 psi. Which would make a lighter part? It depends on the type of loading and stiffness requirements.

See http://www.bebop.com/old%20web%20text/pages/appliedmata101.html for an interesting discussion about strength and stiffness tradeoffs between titanium and steel. The same is applicable between aluminum and titanium. Take special note of the discussion concerning aluminum frames being stiffer.
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Firstbuell
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WANTED: factory parts manual for my '99 M2. Separately, what is the part# for this manual?
[I'd already posted this under "Parts Wanted", but never received a reply.....]
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Frank_sinatra_1
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just saw this futuristic BUELL! Maybe its old. Maybe its NEWS to many you. I think its worth digging into.
This is Kent's (AIRTECH) version of what Eric Buell should have built. Yes it is kind of a Harley only LOTS better! modern Buell ideaIt has a twin span all aluminum tube chassis with oil contained inside the frame. The fully adjustable rear suspension has a WP dampner as well as White Paper forks. The motion was supplied by the race dept. at S & S and measures 100 inches with over 118 HP turning an Andrews close ratio tranny.Alien Twin 2
{Always ride safe. I just spent 2 yrs getting over a 35 mph T-bone hit by a car on a Suzuki, not my fault. Insurance is crap, so are cycle laws and my insurance went up 4X ?}
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Al_lighton
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,
That is a GREAT article. Simple enough for most to understand, technical enough in that it goes right to the heart of the issues. It's a keeper, not that I really give a damn about bicycle spindles : )
Very cool.

Al
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Lowelltroll
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 05:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Firstbuell,
I think the local dealer had them 50% off last time I was there. I'll check today, if I make it there. I believe my 2000 is the same as your '99.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who...little ol me plant thoughts in young Alex's head?

: )

To quote Erik Buell, standing behind the Buell factory with Fran Crane, Henry Duga, Gary Valine and I....if Fran or Court asks you to ride to lunch...ASK WHERE!"
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Court
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 09:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Young Alex......

Buell does something when the company screws up, called "Worth the Wait" as a way of assuauging customers for the wait they endured.

I have done the same thing and suggest you open the package on the way to you with great care. There's stuff in there you'll not be able to find on e-Bay. Hope your bike is a 2000.

By the way....my sincere apologies.

Court
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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


The amazing thing is the tremendous support and encouragement that Court received "on-line" to move forward with his journey. Everyone (myself included...) was saying: "Go Court, Go!"

um, perhaps that should now read Go Alex, GO!!! : )
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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


M2 Cyclone
Model Year: 2000
Color: Blue Streak

Go Alex, Go!!! : )
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Stingaroo
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go Buddy, Go!!! For all of you who have not met Alex yet he is a hell of a character. I have a strong belief he will make it happen, and any problems along the way I am positive he can overcome. ( I just remembered, popping the hood on his old Oldsmobile, and seeing spoons from a dining hall, and a block of wood holding the headlights in adjustment). I will help him train for this, although I probably wont be able to go along. Prior, you can build up your "Iron Butt" by riding the WLA on a few trips!! 50 miles on that can be a work out!
Brian
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Court
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And training is essential.

Prior to setting out on my 1995 Lap of America, I hired a trainer (technically not necessary, but I needed someone riding my ass) and followed a 6 month training regeime.

I have somewhere and would be pleased to share it with Alex a set of "fuel stop stretches". To cover that sort of ground there are several things that are required. The first is that you MUST be alone. Trying to time for two varying gas/pee stops doesn't work.

Next is you MUST eat right. I'd avoid 3 bean burritos for lunch if you are planning on riding until 2AM the following morning.

Know theyself. Lie to yourself by saying "no, I am not really falling asleep" and the Gods will win. I learned this in Weatherford, OK about 1:15 am. NOTE TO SELF: a motorcycle, with it's 4" contact width, is much more forgiving than an automobile in terms of off road excursions and it is possible to leave the road while asleep and go a significant distance with no ill effects. Consider the first time, like the night you dozed off in the Piper Saratoga flying back from Paducah, your first and last time. These types of things rarely provide a second lesson at as cheap a price.

Learn to pack. I will not even discuss this other than to say Khaki slacks and spare electronics quickly erode when drug behind a Buell for any significant distance. transciprt from conversation:

Driver (pulling alongside - screaming out the window) "Hey buddy....you lost your stuff"

Buell rider: "How far back?"

Driver: "Right there man" (pointing to XC gear bag being drug behind Buell.

This, coupled with the 3 golf shirts wrapped around the axle, explained the lackluster acceleration I had attributed to weight.

Alex.....we need to talk.

: )
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Al_lighton
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a general question for all you badwebbers....a matter of decorum, I guess.

Earlier today, I posted an American Sport Bike product marketing question in the air cleaners section at http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/11170.html?1076784214#POST23 3085

As the new owner of American Sport Bike, I've got lots to learn about servicing all of the Buellers needs. And I have lots of ideas for things that Buellers might need that could be developed. And of course, I do it for both love AND money, gotta feed the family ya know. I'd like to be able to ask such things as that air filter question here, and as a board sponsor, I think it's Ok by the moderators. But what about YOU?

Do you find such product/marketing posts offensive? Do they intrude upon your recreational enjoyment of this forum? Should I confine all such questions to the sponsor area? Will they be seen, and be helpful there? Will I be accused of taking over the board (please don't go there....) for doing so?

Thanks for your constructive input. We (several vendors) may sponsor the board, and the admins may moderate it, but it is, above all, YOUR board or it's meaningless. Thanks for listening. If you want to send me email on the subject, please direct to: v-twin_sportbike-at-sbcglobal.net (written, to quote Ferris verbatim, so that the pesky little virusbots running amok out there in cyberspace might deem to give my weary antivirus program a rest)

Al at American Sport Bike
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Easyflier
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al, I find it helpful when a vendor recommends a product that is pertinent to the discussion.

DaveS, Bubba and Aaron seem to have their finger on the pulse in this regard.
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Bartimus
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AL,
i see no problem with your posting, I think you posted it in the right place in the KV. As to whether or not to retool, I couldn't help you as I don't like the look of CF and want to get rid of what came on my S2, and replace with a stock piece.
Anybody want to trade a stock rear hugger from an S2 for a CF one?
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Captainkirk
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al....and a voice cried out in the wilderness...BY ALL MEANS!!!!!
1) The factory is pretty much relegating us tubers to the scrap heap, or the museums. Just because a bike is "last year's model" does NOT mean we automatically want to "trade up" to the current year's model. We really count on people like you (by the way, congrats on your purchase of American Sport Bike!!!) to continue to supply us with goodies for our antiquated dinosaurs. I can't tell you how many times I've called my dealership and been told a particular part has "gone obsolete". It's frustrating, at best.
2) What I personally would like to see from American Sport Bike is to continue to provide the parts you have, but also to find suppliers who will continue to explore and innovate. Tubers are not dead, as long as we continue to own and ride (and love) them. Without people like yourselves, all we can do is maintain but not improve, or go out and buy a machine shop!
3) Don't charge 5 bucks for a cheesy little catalog. Dennis Kirk's catalog is 20 times larger, and it's free. Include the prices on the page with the items. Paging through that price list drives me nuts!
4) Do yourself a favor and have somebody run a spell-check on the catalog before you send it out-(one of my pet peeves!)
5) Personally, I'm all in favor of you posting items with links. How else are we gonna know about it?
6) How about you having a "suggestion box" for items that we would like to see? I've got a list as long as my arm.
I won't take up any more board space here, just wanted to let ya know I'm behind you 100%.
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