| Author | Message | ||
     Ourdee |
Court, Thanks for the enlightenment about Hilfiger/Saipan/SweatShop. I was one of the people that believed the made in usa tag inside the shirt. My Goal this year is to buy USA where possible. Looks like I am going to have some Hilfiger shop rags. I have an Alpinestars Drystar jacket that I plan on using as it does not make sense to throw it out at this point. Can you tell me where the BUELL mesh jacket is made? I have found this site to help me, http://www.findusmade.com/Mall/Apparel_Men.htm . | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Sorry to but in, but does that tag mean something else? | ||
| Ourdee |
Court posted a link and quote in another thread in response to my claiming a Made In The USA Hilfiger shirt. this link: http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/sweatshops /saipan/reuters032800.html This Quote:quote: Criticisms Hilfiger has been criticized for manufacturing clothes in sweatshop conditions in the United States territory of Saipan in the Northern Mariana Islands. As a U.S. Commonwealth, clothes made there can be labeled "Made in the USA", but federal labor laws including the minimum wage do not apply. In March 2000, the company, along with other defendants, settled a class action suit brought by Saipan garment workers, which had alleged mistreatment by over 20 large U.S. clothing manufacturers. I went to Blain's Farm and Fleet today looking at labels in shirts. All I saw were imported. "As for Saipan, any place that does not have to follow the laws of the Republic is not the USA",R.D.. The shirt was a gift to me and knowing it was not a cheap Hilfiger shirt makes me upset, in that enough money was spent on it that they could have got a real made in the USA shirt and had change left over. Like I said, I've got some Hilfiger shop rags.} | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Wow! I must admit that I haven't gone that far out of my way to buy American. But I have been thinking as of late that I really should. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
It's mostly workwear and casual clothing, but http://allusaclothing.com/ has a good selection of stuff that's made here in the lower 48. As a general rule, Carhartt, Dickies and Ben Davis are US-made (Carhartt, at least, does have a few items made offshore so be sure to read the label). It's tougher to find suits and formal attire made stateside unless you're willing to pay a premium price. Gitman Bros is domestically-made. I'm sure there are others. | ||
| Ourdee |
Carharts at Blain's that I looked at at Blain's were not USA. I did not look at the traditional jackets as I was depressed by then. Want a wake up call? Look at labels in the thrift store's clothing. I went to a new bike owner's meeting at the dealer's tonight. Pizza was nice. I don't drink beer, so, I had a 7up.. Everyone got a doo rag door prize. I felt like a red headed stepchild. As I watched dept. head after dept. head take center stage a label came to mind "Farkle Pusher". In the next post here I will post a pic of the doo rag label. | ||
| Ourdee |
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| Court |
I thought this was an interesting article about "outsourcing". http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/business/global/ 04porsche.html?ref=global-home Frankly, the comments of most Porsche owners are about how great the build quality is and what a great business model this is. This is very similar to what Buell does. Buell has less than 200 folks. If they were, for instance, making their own motors, they have to add hundreds. I just enjoyed the article and thought I'd share it. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Valmet is well-known for manufacturing very high-quality military and sporting rifles... I'm proud that my 987C has a connection to this historic arms manufacturer. | ||
| Court |
Valmet has a great reputation all the guys in the Cayman Club are thrilled with the build quality. The production will stay with Valmet until 2012 when it will join the Helicon motor in Austria and be manufactured by Magna Steyr Fahrzeugtechnik of Graz, Austria. | ||
| Davegess |
You all ned to check this out. Great photos of American craftsmen and women. Loads a little slow but worth the wait http://www.americancraftsmanproject.com/gallery/ | ||
| Fahren |
Fox Creek Leather is a great source for leather jackets, gloves, etc., made in USA. Based in Virginia. Not good for racing gear, but the leather and craftsmanship are top. They are on the web. | ||
| Rainman |
Just learned that the BMW G650 engine, the former F650 engine once made by Rotax in Austria, is now farmed out by BMW to a mainland China manufacturer. Found it in Motorcyclist magazine. That's depressing. Chinese Beemers. What's next, Micronesia Blasts? | ||
| Moxnix |
On the ray-dee-o the other day, some caller suggested Obama, rather than closing American car dealerships, close ALL the foreign car dealerships. Won't happen, and we have one foreign vehicle in the fleet, but it's an interesting point to argue. | ||
| Slipknot |
For USA made clothing I've been very pleased with Pointer brand, made in Tennessee and Union brand in Ohio. The Pointer denim has double triple stitching and is so soft you don't need to break in or even wash to feel comfortable. Union Made(?) in Ohio sells also shirts, socks and some other brands that are USA and very much like Carhart. | ||
| Court |
Look closer at that "Union Made" . . . . I looked into it 4 years ago . . . . it's a couple, operating non-union (they gave me a line about "if we ever get big enough to justify. . . .") that buys stuff and sells under the "Union Made" label . . . they are quite evasive about where it comes from so I kept looking. Eager to see what you find and if it's changed. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
I'd much prefer "Proudly Non-Union Made in USA"- that's a combination I'd gladly pay for. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Okay, lets take a moment to bash the unions! Without unions the gap between the lower classes and the rich would be even wider than it is today.If you think 'management' would treat workers fairly without some kind of collective voice and unity, you are sadly mistaken. Unions, like our democratic system, are not perfect, but it beats the alternative. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
The democratic system I live in allows people to choose whether or not to join a union- thank goodness. I have been blessed by being born and raised in a right-to-work state, and that beats the alternative- socialism. So, unions are responsible for social stratification... interesting. Collective voice and unity is a great idea- american unions are a far cry from that. I did not bash unions in my reply, I simply stated what I would rather pay for. But since you brought it up- the unions have, and continue to be, a wonderful influence on the US auto industry. You must be so proud. | ||
| 04xl1200c |
Was has no one asked how "management" of the auto companies have ruined their own industry. I hear about the high wages and benefits of union employees but never hear about all the layers of "management" and their outrageous wages and benefits. | ||
| Froggy |
Yes because a CEO that makes less than .1% of a companies revenue is bleeding the company dry. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Yes, lets not blame the grossly overpaid execs or the engineers who designed a bad product or the management who steered the company in the wrong direction. Unfortunately, what you'd gladly pay for usually equates to low wages and as the country Walmartizes, you'll see you get what you pay for. You also might want to check what working conditions were like before unions came along. Unions are a lot more than just "how much can I get paid". | ||
| Court |
My point was that the clothing company by the name of UNION MADE . . . USED TO (I don't know if they still do) buy cheap crap from Honduras and . . .citing the fact that the cotton was grown in the United States labeled it UNION MADE IN USA. The company was a man and a wife selling this stuff out of their garage. It was not union made nor American made. At that time, after Hanes left the United States, there were NO COTTON T-SHIRTS made in the USA. That may have changed. I neither know nor care any longer. Nothing to do with Union bashing . . . . If you find a Union Made line of t-shirts . . . . let me know. | ||
| Old_man |
"Made in China" Could mean dangerous crap. I bought a hatchet, it looked well made, didn't notice the "China" marking. My grandson tried to use it to cut down a small tree. The metal head broke into large pieces. In the news yesterday a story about the crap drywall they make.-check it out-dangerous stuff. They poisoned our pets and could have poisoned our babies. But this country allows it because there is more profit than making it here. (Message edited by old_man on May 21, 2009) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
I know you weren't union bashing Court. But lets get back to Buells and related topics  | ||
| Court |
China also produces TONS (as in more than any country in the world I think) of really good top quality stuff. It'd be a shame as to be so closed minded as to equate "Made in China" with poor quality. That's no different than equating MADE IN USA with overpriced. It's an entirely new world out there. . . . and Buell, getting back to topic, uses QUALITY parts from a number of countries. . . . just like Ford, Mercedes, Porsche and Lawn-Boy. | ||
| Dano_12s |
Just looked at my Dunlop Roadsmart tires, made by Sumitomo rubber co.It is a world market now. | ||
| Old_man |
Court, I believe that they can make good quality stuff. But they also make crap that can injure, poison, or otherwise harm you. There seems to be NO control there. It seems almost anything goes there. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Court - My Boxter was assembled in Finland and the build quality is perfect. After visiting the factory in Zuffenhausen I was a bit put off at first, but I've never had an issue with the car. | ||
| Court |
Many of the Caymans have been made in Finland as well and several of the guys in the Porsche Club have done the European delivery, are true "geeks" and can not speak highly enough about the build quality. Quality, and telling you this is truly preaching to the choir, is something that occurs largely by design and is only executed during the build phase. Quality is seldom a function of "where" something is made. There's more . . . but I'm headed to give an 8 mile walking tour of Central Park to visiting dignitaries . . . back later. |
