| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
I still say it would turn into another SACBORG, with no reliable info/data and just rude opinions - only good for a giggle if your totally bored. My opinion. GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Road_thing |
Reg, thanks for that! rt | ||
| Agave_juice |
"Who gave you the right to decide that Reg Kittrelle should not be subjecting to bloodied seal pups?" For the record, it was a human baby, head split open, blood pooling on the ice. I DID find it offensive. It DID NOT need to be included in the thread. Reg, The removal of that image did not violate your right to choose to view dead baby pictures. (Not sarcasm) You were, and still are free, to google for the pic or PM the original poster for an address or email. So, why should the BadWeb be obligated to permanently display it, if it falls outside the "post content" rules set for the site? | ||
| Regkittrelle |
A.J.... BW is under no obligation to "permanently display it." On the contrary, the only obligation that BW has is to stay true to itself. My reference to the picture was in support of my overall stand on censorship. I have no desire to change BW. As I mentioned earlier thousands of you are quite happy with the status quo, as I am with that of SacBORG's The question that I have to answer for myself is whether any posts I might offer serve to support a structure with which I am in disagreement. "It DID NOT need to be included in the thread." ...in your opinion E.Z. A bit of a generalization, a what? p.s. Excuse my incorrect reference, I did see the correct picture (elsewhere). | ||
| Ezblast |
LOL - but I've followed SACBORG as long as the BADWEB, and thats what I see would happen Reg. There is perhaps a thimble of usefull knowledge there burried in drivil and insults, and mucho bad advice as well tossed in just to screw the person up - the only thing you can know for sure there is that the majority like to ride and that a few ride Buells - there is a great sense of humor there and not much else, at least not without a great deal of digging - am I anti-SACBORG - hell no! I like a good laugh, and I appreciate different points of view that I may not hold, and anyone who rides is a plus in my book anyhow - lol - as was once said by SACBORG itself - "...(bad para-phraising)..alot like a bunch of teenage boys in a locker room.." - Biting, witty, intelligent, and interesting - not bad, but just not really informative about that which I feel passionately about - my Buells. Thats why I prefer the BADWEB. GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Agave_juice |
Reg, I knew your argument was not really about that particular image, but censorship in general. My point is that perhaps you’ve overestimated/exaggerated the harm the post edit caused you and that BadWeb has stayed true to itself. You still have options to access it and BadWeb made no pledge to provide any materials (images, songs, movies, poems, thoughts, ads, etc.) that don’t fit within its boundaries. ‘Boundaries’ is not by definition a dirty word. When boundaries are shrunk too tightly or applied unevenly, they can have a strangling effect. However, I’m sure you can think of something, however outrageous, that you would rather not see posted on a discussion board you frequent. BadWeb isn’t an ‘anything goes’ place. The Sac isn’t truly an ‘anything goes’ place. Both have boundaries to which they attempt to stay true. The question then becomes, would YOU be suffocated by BadWeb’s boundaries. “"It DID NOT need to be included in the thread." ...in your opinion” I should’ve capped ‘need’ rather than ‘did not’. I reassert that it was not NEEDED. It is gone, now, and the universe hasn’t come to a stop. My OPINIONS are: -The graphic added little or no value to the discussion. -the graphic’s removal did little or no harm to the discussion. -A text post of “Don’t treat others the way you don’t want to be treated” would’ve been better. P.S. I suspect that your incorrect reference demonstrates the effectiveness of the image. We are meant to see the seal pup as a human baby and be disgusted by its ‘murder’. Phil | ||
| Phillyblast |
Reg, Snail, et. al - I finally, truly, grok the meaning of Quixotic. That windmill, she just ain't givin' up. In my eyes the decline of Badweb began, oddly enough, with an event I greeted with much enthusiasm - the creation of the Thumper Forum. Willikers, we Blast!(r) owners finally had a place to call our own. The Thumper Forum quickly became sub/topic divided much like the main board. The main board begat the quick board. The Knowledge Vault was reorganized. By now I had the S2 as my primary ride, and the XB platform was introduced. The newbies were hastily ushered to their own ghetto to avoid confusing and confounding the regulars, hence the XB Board. Eventually us fogies got tired of saying "eh, wot' he say?" whenever anyone typed the letters Z-T-L so we were shuffled off to Del Boca Vista, aka the Old School Buell why-don't-you-buy-a-new-bike-ya-cheap-bastard section. Posts were moved, usually with a note that said "moved to the KV" etc. with a sincere and well-meaning intent. New rules for posting were introduced, the titties section went away, and a good "sprucing up" was conducted (I think I once felt a hand come through the screen and smooth my hair back when I had some). Folks hung on there own "corner" (one that regardless of advertising hype re: ownership it was clearly and often stated was owned by Blake) and rarely if ever interacted. Take a look at the "General Discussion Board" - last post June 08. Doesn't anyone that frequents BW generally discuss stuff anymore? No, we only discuss things in there proper place, for fear of incurring the wrath of the custodian. The heavy sigh as he spreads another layer of Vo-Ban on our mess reminds us we haven't followed the rules. Put it in the classifieds. Put it in the KV. And then along came Uly. . . Y.A.N.C. - Yet another category. One I rarely visit. Because I didn't buy a Uly. I considered buying one. I might in the future. But I don't presently possess. Which prolly means there's some neato (how's the language so far - okay for you guys? Kids stil able to peek over your shoulder?) folks living in the Uly ghetto I'll never interact with or greet with a nice cup of STFU. The counter-argument for the over-stratification and super-anal oragasmization of BW is essentially the subject of Paul's Chaos-vs-Order thread. If you don't remember it and can't find it put your index finger on your temple and say "Hmm" then re-read everything Reg posted in the last week or so. Yes some minimal organization is necessary. For the rest, flucking google it. The entire Internet is a chaotic and disorganized place, lacking structure and siscipline and replete with duplicate and contradictory information. Yet it's amazing caught on amongst the literati. Google is your friend, and there's good reason it's a verb. Oh snap, where was I? I think I had a point to make in here somewhere . . . The problem with the status quo is the general membership isn't very general. By and large they never venture "off the reservation" choosing instead to head straight to their own "special" place. It is merely and understandably symptomatic of the size of BW membership. "Birds of a feather" indeed, Reg. Could BW be "returned to it's former glory" with a little introduced chaos and some pruning of sub-sub-sub-boards? Maybe. Me I'll be over at the 'Borg enjoying the chaos and hanging out virtually with some great folks, some of whom I've actually ridden with.  BW when I discovered it was a corner bar. It's now a mall. I'm happy for the principals that business is so good, but I prefer it where "everybody knows my name" (Message edited by phillyblast on June 15, 2006) | ||
| Pammy |
14. the reduction in size of Hershey bars. Now I'm understanding ya...who do we contact about this. I thought it was only me noticing this. Can we lobby those stingy bastards in Pa.? What about M&M's? You get about 10 in a bag now...Conspiracy?I say hell yes! Who has the right to tell me how many M&M's I should eat? Sorry for the tangent...I get so riled up sometimes. The baby being mauled, to me would be offensive. A teenager getting punched in the nose, however, well let's just say I know a few I wouldn't mind seeing in that photo...You folks with teenage children know what I mean... | ||
| Bigj |
If you try a Ghirardelli bar, you will never eat Hershey's again. | ||
| Pammy |
Oh, don't think I haven't. But Hersheys are for "users" you know cheap, like crack. Actually, I can't have any of it. But if I could...I'd want a BIG bar! | ||
| Henrik |
Let me preface this by admitting, that on the 1 - 10 Chaos vs. Order scale I'm likely a solid 10. Not necessarily something I'm proud of, but at least I'm realistic. With that, I agree with Philly on a couple of points; Badweb has grown, and the inhabitants of the different "Hoods" rarely venture outside of their regular hang-out, and as such much of the "bar where everyone knows your name" has been lost. That said, imagine how much better a resource Badweb could be if people would help out and post where requested. No skin off their back, except of course for the previously mentioned "staying in the Hood" issue. Google is a nice addition, but as manager of a *large* database of medical imaging I can assure you that the more ways you have available for digging for and accessing information the better. And if you *have to* eat Hersheys, their Extra Dark and Special Dark satisfies the needs for quick fix, decent price and is half decent chocolate to boot  Henrik | ||
| Jon |
Yes. Milk chocolate is for the unitiated and the unclean. Extra Dark and Special Dark is for enlightened. Eat it...and you will curse milk chocolate. I'm with Henrik on organization. As an estimator I can't live with out it. Distinctions help. | ||
| M2nc |
My Summary to Snail, Reg and company. When rules are put in place, some will benefit and some will not. Try as many ways as you want you will NEVER please all the people all the time. Even in a group of two people, human nature is to have your own opinion, so you will have disagreement. So BW has rules that some do not like. Some of these people are good people that maybe want to be a little too familiar to me. To me my oldest brother define the limits of Freedom the best. He said, "You should be free to do what ever you want to the tip of the next person's nose." This simple rule can be applied to anything. Examples, Smoking. I think people should be free to smoke if you want to, I did for years. I do not think you have the freedom in a confined space to smoke next to my wife and daughter which are allergic to it and can induce a life threatening asthma attack. I think you have the right to listen to any music you wish and at any volume, but I have the same right so do it in the middle of field where I can not hear it, I will do the same. I think you can look at the book "Dead Faces." Knock yourself out, but do not show it to my children, or me for that matter. As countries like Russia are finding out, with freedom comes responsibility. Some people have it, and some people don't. Because this board has rules, we are able to keep those without personal responsibility at bay. Of course those that are being kept at bay don't like it and that is the great thing about freedom. You can go somewhere else. There are a few on the list that have supposedly left that I will miss, but I will live on and so will they. To me the custodians have made BW what it is, the authority in Buell Internet Discussion Boards. On the C3 page, we have picked up three new participates in the last month. A common thread is communicated to us by the new members, they have lurked on many boards, but like the atmosphere of BW the best. That atmosphere is established by the rules Blake set up and the acts of the custodians that enforce the policy and keep those that lack respect for others at bay. This process has made it the most popular Buell only discussion board and allowed valuable information to be generated that helps us enthusiast find each other and learn from each other. It also allows us to do this without having to surf though vile irrelevant information that others think I need to see for their personal amusement. So BW's way of doing things will not please everyone, like I said before, nothing Blake or the custodians can do will change this. I like the way things are done, you don't. I stay and you go, that is okay. I mean you no ill will, I hope you feel the same. Ride safe and take care. P.S. I stated that those who where unhappy with BW had "supposedly left". Let me explain. I always try to look at a difference of opinion from the other person's point of view. So I go to SacBorg and start lurking to see how the other half lives. I have to say not much of anything is there. I was very disappointed. You can cuss and you can cuss, and you can complain about "bed wetters." It seems that the most informative information on the discussion board is what some rejected BWers do. They lurk on BW. On one page after some great cussing a serious question was asked. The answer, go to "Bed Wetters" and look at the Knowledge Vault. So, we are even. You like Sacborg and I don't, I like Badweb and you don't. Isn't the internet great. It is big enough for both of us to find a place we like. So again, ride safe and good bye. | ||
| Ezblast |
Amen | ||
| Snail |
You leaving? Bye. | ||
| Jon |
M2nc, Well stated...and Thanks for the support. I think that the exchange of ideas has been much more than a debate or an arguement. It's been very helpful in understanding AND APPRECIATING the differences in our outlooks. Right on all around! (Message edited by jon on June 16, 2006) | ||
| Phillyblast |
Henrik, Agreed on the data-mining point. How about tags? When you post something, like say the recent question about removing the primary on an S2 without removing the iso plates, the author has a list of check-boxes: o Knowledge Vault o Old School Buell o Drivetrain etc. etc. Further, much like the voting others (maybe custodians only?) could also tag the post after it was made. It would help the custodians as well, I would think, since it would make identifying posts that are "misplaced" easier. Perhaps it could be automated as well? After 7 days to expire all posts tagged KV/<subtopic> get moved to the appropriate section, much like the auto-archiving feature? Another thought - instead of a static front page put in a dynamic header or block with "most recent posts" or "most recent topics" - posts made within the last hour or 24 hours with a "more" link or similar that takes you to the new messages utility. It would help (continuing the analogy) take away some of the "mall" feel and let you step in the door - virtually - and see who's sitting at the bar. A sidebar listing "currently logged in" ? Just as a disclaimer my comments on BW weren't meant as a rip on the place, or Blake, just some thoughts on the inevitability of it all. The sheer size and speed of growth seems to me the major cause. | ||
| Blake |
Hey, I'm Old School Buell! I think we rock! "Relegated"? No way! Community of discerning wise folk? Well, I can think so can't I? The "New Messages" utility kinda makes it all one big happy forum. Who has time to read it all though? Not me! | ||
| Phillyblast |
Which is why I suggested a very prominent placement of said utility on the front page. I don't see a link to it anywhere, consequently I don't use it much. | ||
| Pammy |
M&M's come in dark chocolate as well. Milk chocolate is for wimps... I may have to make a quick run over to Starbucks. Add a little heat to that dark chocolate and it goes directly to the bloodstream....kinda like mainlining.. gotta...get...my...fix...aaak |
