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Vagelis46
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amazing results ... Canepa already matching his last years times when he was riding a Ducati ! ! !

EBR will surprise people this year and make us fans very proud !

I predict....EBR and ZTL will really shine in round 1 in Philip Island.... Philip Island is all about corner speed... "real" Ducatis with a trellis frame (1098,1198,999) were doing great there despite their low Hp..... Forget the Panigale... Even after the first test in the USA , Canepa stated that the EBR handles better than the Panigale, just like the "real" Ducatis ...

I predict a top 6 in Philip Island..... 30 days to go , for round !... can't wait !
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Jscott
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



"brakes work well ... these days at Portimao I always used the single disk even though I had a motorcycle with two discs . It has several advantages and some flaws , but not bad at all !" - Nic
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Jscott
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Jscott
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ Very cool! This exhaust:



is clearly different from this one shown earlier:



Note smaller, tapered muffler, different support bracket, and re-routed pipe. Nice to see changes being made!
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M2typhoon
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only decaled bikes are the ZTL equiped bikes.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Short video interview with Pegram from Portimao:

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/videos/2015/2015%20Worl dSBK%20Portimao%20Test%20Larry%20Pergram%20ITW?fro m_list=latest_videos
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Vagelis46
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jscott....where did you get the statement from Canepa that he used only the ZTL in Portimao ? Is there a link ?

All I could find was this ...http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/world-superbik es/2015/january/hero-ebr-rider-canepa-tests-again/

As I understand it is that ...unless they get more power from the ZTL, he will use the 2-disc system....But then again , my english understanding is .......wellllll.......
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Canepa made the comment in response to questions about the new color scheme photo on his Facebook page.

Several of his Italian fans were appalled that the bike still had the ZTL and he responded.

Screen cap of FB post:

canepa fb


Google translation of statement:

quote:

The brakes work well ... these days at Portimao I always used the single disk even though I had a motorcycle with two discs . It has several advantages and some flaws , but not bad at all !


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Court
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pretty much the same thing we've all been saying since 2004 . . . welcome aboard Niccoló !
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Jscott
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I really like the 2015 paint and graphics. Last years bikes scheme made the bike look wider than it was with the horizontal stripe running across the front fairing.
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Vagelis46
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info.

OK... the ZTL is good even for racing in WSBK level ..... No question about it ..

BUT , since they had limited testing time due to the bad weather he says that he did not try the 2-disc braking system, in order to compare the lap times against the ZTL .....

He lapped faster with the 2-disc system at Jennings.... So his lap time could have been even better at Portimao.... that is great ! ! ! That could have been a top 6 performane !

I can't wait for the tes in Jerez, starting Monday..

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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Next test session; from Nick's FB page this morning:


jerez


"Good morning from Jerez!"
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Classax
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 06:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find it a bit odd that they are using a slick front but a rain rear. I know it's still fairly cold, but it's amazing that they would presumably be able to go hard enough to keep heat in the front but aren't on the gas hard enough to toast a rain tire. That says a lot about either the smoothness of the riders or the capability of the brakes.
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Xb9er
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is awesome!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note also that they're running an aftermarket rear wheel. IIRC, the WSBK bikes ran the stock rear wheel last year. The AMA Superbikes have run this rear wheel since they started. Supposedly the inside surface is knurled or something similar to help prevent the wheel from slipping inside the tire under acceleration (which will throw the balance off), which was a problem on the AMA bikes.
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Doz
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find the AARP sticker amusing....maybe I should join.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rain rear is probably going to get swapped before practice. Note that it wears no warmer, and the sky is blue.
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Jscott
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not sure the of the "official" explanation behind the rain tires, but you often see bikes wearing them around the paddock even on days when there is no chance of rain - don't know if its just a spare set they keep around for pushing the bike around the paddock before switching over to race tires when needed.
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Classax
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I find the AARP sticker amusing....maybe I should join."

Erik is old enough, Yates and Pegram both are by racer standards as well. LOL

They keep sending my wife applications and she's not quite a whole year older than me.

Note also that they're running an aftermarket rear wheel. IIRC, the WSBK bikes ran the stock rear wheel last year. The AMA Superbikes have run this rear wheel since they started. Supposedly the inside surface is knurled or something similar to help prevent the wheel from slipping inside the tire under acceleration (which will throw the balance off), which was a problem on the AMA bikes.

I don't know why they don't incorporate that into the stock rim. Had it happen twice early on where the rear the slipped on the rim after over enthusiastic attempts to " reduce' front tire wear. hehehe
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Jscott
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Live updates - get out your google translate

http://www.motoblog.it/post/368398/sbk-test-jerez- 2015-live
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Neutrum
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://live.crono-jerez.com/livetiming/#/livetimin g
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Jscott
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the live timing link!
Nic is on track and is shedding time every lap. Exciting stuff.
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Neutrum
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

facts:

- they're not slower than last year (even tough the new rules)
- canepa is 2 secs slower than last years qualifying with the evo ducati
- top speed of the ebr is 25km/h slower than the quickest, same as last year
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Snacktoast
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neutrum,

I see some different results than you are seeing:
1. Canepa is faster than May's 2014 FP3 time (1:44.008 vs. 1:45.639) (their fastest laps at Jerez in 2014 were in FP3)
2. Top speed of 255 for Canepa vs. Rea's 267 at this test. This is not a 25 km/hr difference. Not even close.
3. Canepa's SP1 time in 2014 was 1:42.356
4. The fastest riders are slightly slower than 2014. Baz went 1:40.298 in SP2 last year. The fastest at this test session so far is 1:41.327. I will admit that I expected more than a second drop off from last year.
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Classax
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still a little early to make any big conclusions.

If I remember correctly Yates ended up qualifying quicker than May at Jerez last year and was in the really low 1:40s and toping over 250kph. I think the top times were in the low 1:36's if I remember it right. I could be wrong- someone needs to look it up.

Canepa is drops time in bunches though doesn't he!
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Jscott
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Classax
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will say this,

2.6 seconds a lap off the leaders not get you anywhere near the podium but it also will not get you lap down in every race like 3.5-4 seconds did last year. In fact 2.6 seconds a lap off the leaders gets you into both portions of superpole and somewhere between 9th and 13th in most rounds last year. If that's where EBR STARTS the year it will be a huge improvement.

We have to get some hot shot kid riders in Moto 3 for a while, if we ever hope to regain dominance in this sport again.

(Message edited by classax on January 26, 2015)
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Jscott
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nic was also making continual progress right up to the end of todays session - I bet he moves up even higher tomorrow.
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Vagelis46
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am also sure the gap will be smaller by the end of tommorrow....

Comparing Canepa vs Pegram times it now clear the major reason EBR was so slow last year... The riders .... Myself among other people thought that EBR was loosing 1-2sec per lap because of the riders....

I still think that EBR is loosing 1sec per lap because of the ZTL... Canepa said that there are certain advantages of the ZTL and that "it is not that bad".....BUT that doesn't mean that he doesn't loose time .... Unless he manages to find the best set-up of his bike for both the braking systems and then compares the lap times, there is no guarantee that the "it's not that bad" ZTL system is not making the bike 1s per lap slower ....

I will say it again.... signing Canepa, at least took the rider out of the equation as for the reason(s) EBR is slower against the top WSBK teams .....

It is going to be a fascinating season ...

(Message edited by vagelis46 on January 26, 2015)
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