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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes or no, would you be as interested in MotoGP if it were to transform into a spec engine class (all machines have the exact same engine & ECM, as is currently the case in the current Moto2 class)?

I sure wouldn't be as interested in it.
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I wanted to watch a "Boxer Cup Race," I'd watch a boxer cup race.

A spec engine would result is ALL of the factories withdrawing. It might result in closer racing (as has Moto2), but I think you'll find a lot less fan interest.

The fans like to root for their favorite rider (first) and their favorite brand (second). At least in my experience.
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Rfischer
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's called the XR1200 class, isn't it??

MotoGP is, I thought, the premier class for manufacturers to show off the limits of their technological prowess. If that is the case, to go to a spec engine is oxymoronic.

Be 'bout the same as modern NASCAR. No thanks.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

not in the slightest
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Imonabuss
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zero interest. I've only watched one Moto2 race, and the 250 class I used to love. I have no idea what the FIM is thinking.
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Amafan
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No way,and it will never happen.
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Rfischer
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Not in the slightest"

Yeah, yer proly right. Would never be as many bikes/riders in contention to win as there is at any given NASCAR race.....
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please answer poll question or avoid posting. Thank you.
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46champ
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, would not want to watch another Honda cup.
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Tony216
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm okay with modified streetbike motors, as long as there's a choice. Not interested in watching only CBR1000RR-powered bikes.
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Xb1125r
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Moto2 sadly does not live up to motogp dtandards.
When all competitors have the same engine it becomes boring.
Rememer when superbike was all susukis,boring
The more brands the better.
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Fuzzz
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No
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Davegess
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hell no. But it isn't much fun since they went to 800cc bikes. Having seen both the 800 and 990 bikes race in person, the 990's were awwwsome.
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Aeholton
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Current tally:

In answer to the question "Yes or no, would you be as interested in MotoGP if it were to transform into a spec engine class (all machines have the exact same engine & ECM, as is currently the case in the current Moto2 class)", fourteen people have responded, of those thirteen answered in the negative, only one in the positive. That translates in round number to 93% saying that they would be less interested if MotoGP went to spec engines, and just 7% saying their interest would not lessen.
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Bigblock
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO!
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

15 nays to 1 yea (94% to 6%).
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Svh
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No
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Doerman
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Count me as no.

But change MotoGP. Do something.

Probably the most boring MC racing right now.
Shriners at high speed.
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Trojan
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

YES!!

More so in fact, because the class would not be completely dominated by 4 factory teams and just a handful of riders capable of winning.

Changing to a spec engine or ECU would in no way limit technical innovation and in fact would push forward chassis design rather than just relying on dated chassis technology married to increasingly powerful engines and increasingly complicated and expensive electronics.

It is very easy to get carried away with the 'pinnacle of engineering' argument and try to argue that MotoGP needs to be free to innovate in engine design, but what will happen when there are only a handful of factory bikes left on the grid (in reality that is what we have now, with the others just making up the numbers). Like it or not, cost is THE major factor in all forms of motor racing now, and either we deal with it or there will be no racing left.

I would much rather watch a grid of 30 facory bikes with close racing and maybe 8-10 potential winners, but that isn't going to happen and we need to reliase that and stop dreaming that it is ecver going to happen again in th enear future at least.

Either we get radical and start changing rules now or we will have nothing left to watch except modified streetbikes.
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't imagine anything worse than a spec motor for the premier motorcycle racing class in the world. How ridiculous. But wonderful for WSBK, I guess, since it will defuncto become the new premier class (not that it isn't already for quality of competition and varied technical approaches.)
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO!!! A POX on spec engines in Gran Prix Racing!!!! If it wasn't for the innovation from such racing, we would all still be riding side valve singles.

Spec racing in general should be limited to amateur class racing...where it levels the economic playing field.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Current poll results stand at 19 nays to 2 yeahs (90% to 10%).

Matt,

I think the spec ECU is a very good idea for motoGP. Not sure about the one bike rule for the premier class though.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no, hell i find it barely interesting now. Making into a spec class will just make it worse, in my opinion.

I love spec racing, it brings close racing action, but I also feel there needs to be more "open" classes at the top.
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Elvis
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No.

Can it survive? Yes. Will it be as "interesting" (the exact wording of the question)? No.

Which of these two descriptions are most appropriate for Moto-GP?

1. A money-is-no-object contest to build the fastest, most technologically advanced bikes on the planet within a structure that limits bikes only on a few key, technical points.

or

2. A series designed to showcase rider skill rather than technology with close racing as the highest priority.

There's nothing wrong with the #2 option, but that's not why people watch Moto-GP.

Moto-2 can absorb such a technical limitation more easily than the premier class because they're not the best of the best. If a similar limitation is imposed on the top class, fans will feel they are no longer seeing the best bikes possible and it will hurt the series.

(Message edited by elvis on August 24, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd like to move all this great discussion back to the MotoGP thread so we can keep the poll focused on the actual polling rather than discussion.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Current poll stands at 21 nays to 2 yeas (91% to 9%).
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I shouldn't vote - still refuse to own a TV. Read the results in RRW... but then I thought Superbike would bring about the end of AMA Professional road racing as a piss-poor substitute for the Formula One class (750cc 2 stroke)
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