| Author | Message | ||
     Amafan |
I just watched an interview with Eric Buell on the Craftman Eric Buell Racing show, and he said that they have not built enough 1190RS' to get it homologated before the Infinion round on May 13th . The AMA rules states that 18 bikes must be built before it is homologated, but by June 1st 36 bikes must be built,and be available at a dealership for sale to the public. 72 bikes must be built 15 days before the last AMA Superbike race of the season, and 100 bikes must be built by the end of the 2011 year . I doubt if they do not have 18 Buell 1190RS built yet, they will have 36 built by June 1st, so I have my doubts that we will see the 1190RS on the race track soon. The Miller round is just before June 1st, but I doubt they would race the 1190RS at Miller ,and then not have 36 street bikes built,to be able to race it at Road America the next week. | ||
| Blake |
The man's name is "Erik". >>> but by June 1st 36 bikes must be built,and be available at a dealership for sale to the public. 72 bikes must be built 15 days before the last AMA Superbike race of the season, and 100 bikes must be built by the end of the 2011 year . Those rules are for entry into the series at the beginning of the season. They likely slip the dates accordingly based on first race entered. | ||
| Crusty |
Wasn't something said recently about Erik Buell Racing hiring a bunch of people? I'm assuming it was to build the necessary bikes. One thing I've learned over the years is to never count Erik out. | ||
| Maul |
Loving all the doubt. Haven't we learned anything about Mr. Buell's persistence? I can't think of anyone I have ever heard of who is more determined to see his vision realized. Doubt him if you want, but don't be surprised when he proves you wrong. | ||
| Mog |
 No matter how you figure, the price to race the 1190RS is about 4,000,000 dollars (Erik's intonation at $40kX100). That amount, in exchange for 100 bikes and the materials and employees to build said bikes, is the basis for Erik's ticket onto the AMA superbike track. Money alone will not do, for the bike must be deliverable at dealers. The dealer cut would be added as an increase to the bike's price before it moved out the door. Dealer, is the operative word here. Might be a way around and still be AMA ok. Repairs to the bike (non-frame) and drive system (non-engine) are common elements but the electronics and engine parts are specific. Therefore a paradigm shift may be employed by Erik to make the end user (team) the box/board installer and thus redefine the 'dealer' moniker as a team (similar to an LLC). The point of sale and wholesale and distributor are clearly, very unclear here. New territory. It is the internet and the ruling of state legislatures that may redefine Erik's approach in a very positive way. A club, becomes a user group, become a limited partner group, becomes... I am quite sure that Court will 'school me' on such an idea but, we'll see. | ||
| Blake |
>>> No matter how you figure, the price to race the 1190RS is about 4,000,000 dollars (Erik's intonation at $40kX100). That amount, in exchange for 100 bikes and the materials and employees to build said bikes, is the basis for Erik's ticket onto the AMA superbike track. "No matter how you figure"? Really? Seems bizarre to assume Erik Buell Racing won't receive any revenue from the sale of the first 100 EBR 1190RS's.  >>> Money alone will not do, for the bike must be deliverable at dealers. Grass is green; the sky is blue, and motorcycles have two wheels. >>> The dealer cut would be added as an increase to the bike's price before it moved out the door. Dealer, is the operative word here. Versus "dentist", "plumber", "landscaper"...? Thanks for clearing that up. We had no idea Erik Buell Racing would be looking to establish a dealer base. Well, except for announcing just that and unveiling the bike at the Indianapolis dealer show, instead of at the annual plumbers' convention and trade show.  >>> Might be a way around and still be AMA ok. No need. See above. >>> Repairs to the bike (non-frame) and drive system (non-engine) are common elements but the electronics and engine parts are specific. Therefore a paradigm shift may be employed by Erik to make the end user (team) the box/board installer and thus redefine the 'dealer' moniker as a team (similar to an LLC). The point of sale and wholesale and distributor are clearly, very unclear here. New territory. What's unclear is the basis for your wild speculations. >>> It is the internet and the ruling of state legislatures that may redefine Erik's approach in a very positive way. A club, becomes a user group, become a limited partner group, becomes... ... yet more bizarre baseless speculation? You've lept far and wide contrary to what Erik Buell Racing has done, stated, and continues to work towards, based on... what? >>> I am quite sure that Court will 'school me' on such an idea but, we'll see. Read, learn, speak truth, avoid the temptation to pontificate from a position of ignorance. It is a fool's game. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Blake should follow his own advice. I'm pulling for Erik Buell Racing as much as anyone. I am having a hard time believing they will sell the quantity of bikes needed to get it into the superbike class. I'm not saying the bike isn't worth every penny and then some. I believe it will require some changes to the "rules" which will have everyone crying foul once again. | ||
| Court |
The bike is approved. | ||
| Jaimec |
YAYYY!!! | ||
| Davegess |
I have no doubt that 100 folks will step up to buy these bikes. There a whole lot of folks who can afford 40 grand. He is not gonna have any trouble selling them. | ||
| Jaimec |
Didn't Ducati sell out all of those ridiculously overpriced Desmosedici bikes? If they can sell out an $80,000 motorcycle, Erik should have no problems selling a bike at half that price. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I am having a hard time believing they will sell the quantity of bikes needed to get it into the superbike class. Understandable when reality is so far removed. >>> I'm not saying the bike isn't worth every penny and then some. Then what are you implying? >>> I believe it will require some changes to the "rules" which will have everyone crying foul once again. Again, based on what? Fantasy? You are contending that Erik Buell Racing who built the 1190RS specifically to go AMA Superbike racing will not field a bike that fits the rules? Read, learn, speak truth, avoid the temptation to pontificate from a position of ignorance. It is a fool's game. | ||
| Blake |
Court Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 05:25 pm: >>> The bike is approved. That may be but the brake gets hot, and magnesium is lighter than aluminum. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Just checked and Ducati sold 1500 Desmosedicis at that huge price, and 1500 1098Rs at $40,000 in one year alone. So the 100 1190RS models certainly seems feasible. | ||
| Court |
I try to imagine life from the "negative" view where everything consists of a serial parade or "oh, that'll never work" . . . and "I don't think we can do that". It's just my upbringing but . . . . I've been witness to so many impossible things both around and in my own life that I can't do it. I've seen what some folks call impossible flourish into amazing miracles. I think my Grandfather, who was an orphan, turning a fruit and vegetable stand into one of America's largest grocery chains was just a start . . . Dad pretty much did the same thing. I was scarred from birth with a positive, entrepreneurial outlook. I see Erik Buell's current undertaking as more like "you can't STOP him from succeeding." You want impossible? . . . go back to 1987 and the RS-1200. That was impossible. Some minds are simply calibrated on the "S" setting . . .they see small, aspire small and have diminished expectations and aspirations. They have a place in the world. But others . . . they are "Touched by the Sun". And reach for the top of the sky And the farthest point on the horizon Do you know who you'll meet there Great soldiers and seafarers, Artists and dreamers Who need to be close, close to the light They need to be in danger of burning by fire And I, I want to get there I, I want to be one One who is touched by the sun, One who is touched by the sun --- Carly Simon - Touched by the Sun
Yeah . . . I also have 2 bets that he'll make more motorcycles than Harley-Davidson within 3 years as well . . . we'll see.  By the way . . . I'm cool with varying opinions and Lord knows mine is wide open to having shots taken at it . . .that's neat. But there are days I dream of the whiners, complainers and emotionally insecure taking just one day off or going over to the "who gives a shit.com" website and spending a day among fellow negativians. . . yeah, I know . . just me dreamin' | ||
| Jaimec |
God, wouldn't that be GREAT?? Success is the BEST revenge... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
i must be sick or something but I agree with this statement from Blake ">>> No matter how you figure, the price to race the 1190RS is about 4,000,000 dollars (Erik's intonation at $40kX100). That amount, in exchange for 100 bikes and the materials and employees to build said bikes, is the basis for Erik's ticket onto the AMA superbike track. "No matter how you figure"? Really? Seems bizarre to assume Erik Buell Racing won't receive any revenue from the sale of the first 100 Erik Buell Racing 1190RS's. " Its true, if you think Erik Buell Racing is selling the bikes for the cost it is to produce them, then youre silly. | ||
| Svh |
"I am having a hard time believing they will sell the quantity of bikes needed to get it into the superbike class." No where does it say that they have to be sold. Unless somehow "available for sale" means sold now | ||
| Blake |
Come on now Sam, why ya gotta bring facts and reality into the discussion? | ||
| Blake |
Owens, >>> Its true, if you think Erik Buell Racing is selling the bikes for the cost it is to produce them, then youre silly. Translation please. >>> i must be sick or something but I agree with this statement from Blake No worries. The fact that you are so often wrong can be amusing. Congrats on getting one right for a change. | ||
| Hootowl |
To paraphrase Alexander Dumas, "This strange event aroused great wonder and curiosity on the BadWeatherBikers forum, and a multitude of theories were afloat, none of which was anywhere near the truth." | ||
| Hootowl |
...and I'm just as guilty as everyone else. Speculating is fun. | ||
| Crusty |
You're a speculator? So YOU'RE behind the escalating price of oil. | ||
| Hootowl |
Nope, that's Bush's fault. | ||
| 2kx1 |
While I would like to see it I don't think Erik will be racing, Geoff May yes, Erik no. As far as making more bikes than Harley in three years, that would seem farfetched though entirely possible although the planets would have to align for that one. | ||
| Reepicheep |
How About:
Might be a pretty low bar... | ||
| Hughlysses |
The bike is approved. This would seem to be fairly stupendous news.  I'm surprised this isn't all over Badweb by now. | ||
| Court |
>>>> I'm surprised this isn't all over Badweb by now. Don't be surprise . . . Badweb is concerned with Beryllium, brakes and bravado. Never watch the hand that's moving. | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . I was somewhat surprised that it didn't get more traction when it was in the Erik Buell Racing Press Release. In all candor . . . I haven't spoken to anyone who did NOT believe Erik would get the hundreds of vendors lined up, the necessary testing done, the sourcing, IP, HR and the line up and running and be racing again within a couple years. Some may have assumed when they read the press release that Buell intended to be the first, and only, team racing an illegal and non-homologtaed bike in the AMA program. Then again . . . I was surprised that so few picked up on it when Erik announced he'd inked a deal with an Investment Banking firm the night before his interview at Daytona . . . again . . I think folks just figured that he'd be getting the investment capital together and be off and running . . . . no one was surprised. Similarly . . . I made a post a couple weeks ago about a pivotal day and it didn't so much as draw an iota of interest amongst the various squabbles . . . Buell, in my opinion, (ever cognizant that I'm a construction worker and not terribly bright) is at the moment doing some of the most amazing things Erik has done in the nearly 25 years I've known him. I've having fun waking each morning to be greeted by the Linked In updates of folks who's employer has changed to ERIK BUELL RACING each day . . . Really . . . . again, simply my PERSONAL OPINION . . . damned amazing. America needs a good manufacturing success story about now . . . | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Well Blake. At $40,000 a pop, are you intending on purchasing one? My bet is no. All talk and no action...as usual for you. you really, REALL need to get over yourself you megalomaniac. God forbid someone would post an opinion. they must have HUGE doorways where you live for your over sized melon to fit through. Court. If the bike is approved, why did Erik say it won't be racing at Infineon? Does it have something to do with a certain amount needing to be built/"available for sale"? Are they built and available? Davegess. I truly hope you're correct. |
