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What_the
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A few years in the making, but it's available now.

http://www.ebracing.com/shop/product65.html

(Message edited by what_the on March 13, 2010)
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Toecutter
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I assume by the Buell name molded into the case, this design goes back to pre-October.
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Schweeeeeet!

This is better than you can imagine - taking 6 pounds out of one of the highest locations on the bike (under the seat).

Talk about handling and acceleration advantages without having to tune suspension or mess with engine reliability.
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Sparky
Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 02:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aha, a light weight performance battery -- one of the first steps in the direction towards sport E-bikes.
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Knickers
Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I so want one of these, but I'm running wera superstock. Maybe I'll pick one up and switch batteries between superstock & superbike races.
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No_rice
Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

take a stock battery and gut it. use the light shell to cover up the lil battery... wait i didnt say that...
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Eboos
Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wera requires a stock battery in Superstock?

Looks great, but seems a little expensive compared to similar lightweight batteries on the market.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like No_Rice's suggestion... Niiiiice.
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Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is nothing similar at that price, you can count on that!
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anonymous, can I use this in a tube frame bike with the stock starting and charging systems?
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Duggram
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Damn!! I just bought a 2 pound Speedcell from Josh last month. Similar technology and they last forever so I can't justify getting one right now.

Steve, is that new math you use? 12 pounds minus 2 pounds is a savings of ~10 pounds. BTW it does make a difference in the rear suspension.
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Knickers
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From the WERA Superstock rules:

"The items above constitute the entire realm of deviation from showroom stock for Superstock classes. If it does not mention you CAN do it, you CAN NOT."

Batteries aren't mentioned therefore off limits. That said, if someone does protest at least you don't have to do a teardown.

No Rice - Very Smokey Yunick of you.
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Knickers
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anon - care to expound on the differences? It looks like these lightweight batteries are becoming commodities with kids making them in their dorm rooms.

Link to non-Sponsor ad removed.

Please avoid posting links to competing non-sponsor ads. Thanks for understanding.

Blake


Other than the development time and testing invested, what's different in the hardware vs. the cheapo version? Just curious.

(Message edited by blake on March 15, 2010)
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You can always take chances of a protest and just run with it.

I never worry since I'm usually racing for DFL - so who'd protest???
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You and me both brother.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Other than the development time and testing invested, what's different in the hardware vs. the cheapo version? Just curious."

Quality and durability.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Probably also performance.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Per www.EBRAcing.com ...


quote:

In a price per pound weight reduction ratio, this is an excellent value. The EBR lightweight battery weighs in at just 2.05 lbs, compared to the stock battery which weighs 11.55 lbs, for a 9 lb savings, or $41/lb. As a comparison, a titanium exhaust will save 5lbs over stainless, at a typical cost delta of $1000, or $200/lb. This battery is also smaller than the stock unit at 144mm x 69mm x 80mm (5.7in x 2.7in x 3.2in).

The 4.5 amp-hour, 300 amp peak draw Nano-teck© incorporates a proprietary cell-to-cell balancing circuit board essential to long lithium-ion battery life and performance, and the silicon damped cells incorporate technically advanced nanophosphate chemistry, not vulnerable to self-ignition.

Though more than adequate for the street, we suggest this battery be used as a racing component.




Hope that answers your questions Kurt.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Many of the cheaper aftermarket ones lack the load balancing chip. Also, the EBR battery is using a better chemistry than some aftermarket one. Regardless, I still love my Speedcell battery I have on my XB.
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Duggram
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Talk to a quality battery maker about problems with the cheap knock-offs. You'll hear some real scary stuff. Just soldering them together can lead to over heating, fires and potential for explosions (nice thought when you realize that battery sits under your ass).

Obviously EBR has a lot of development in theirs. There are others that have put the R&D into them. But EBR's looks pretty high tech.
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The only thing that the whole Speedcell issue made me decide is to not buy a battery from either Josh or Jason. Pretty sad how their private issue has become so public.

If I do not buy this battery from EBR (which I probably will), then I will just suck it up and keep the stock one.
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Knickers
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry, didn't mean to post an ad, I just thought it was funny that the kid really was making these things in his dorm room yet folks were lining up to buy.

I had read that these batteries were all using the same supplier for the individual cells, thus leading to all the Tom Dick and Harrys selling them nowadays. It sounds like the proprietary cell balancing circuit board (in addition to significant testing/development/quality etc) is what is unique about the EBR one vs. the soldered together home-builts.
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Indybuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks pretty cool. But in my case, a 270lb rider, it probably doesn't make sense... LOL! Plus I'm cheap per lb. lol!
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

held one the other day. very very light. Pretty sweet.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There are MULTIPLE sources for the cells and selection/matching of the cells AND the circuitry used does make a big difference.

You CAN buy cheapies, put together by kids in their mommie's basement - just like you can buy parts-bin computers.

Ye pays yer moneys, ye takes yer choice.

The folks buying and flying hand-launched reconnaissance drones in combat are NOT buying battery packs JUST on the basis of saving money.



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Duggram
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of the nice features of the Speedcell made by Josh is that he does sell to the Army. He won't say what they are used for but there is a drone R&D center in the same town that Josh's company is based, Las Cruces, NM. His batteries are also used by the Canadian and American Yamaha road race, 4wheeler, and snowmobile teams. Kinda hard to turn my back on such a high quality, local product. Especially when Josh lives 45 minutes from our track and attends all the races.
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Jens
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We have now the first days on the track with that E.B.R. battery behind us.

The best since the invention of sliced bread...

No problem and unbeliviable light!! We ordered 5 and we will convert all our racebikes. Never was the loss of weight cheaper.

Jens
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Last time I checked starving yourself was free : )
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Duggram
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy, aren't you over looking the geek factor?
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Gearhead
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've been looking at the EBR battery but with only one photo on the site I have a question that I hope will be answered.

It appears that the SpeedCell has a plug built in so your original wiring will have to be wired into a similair plug.

How are connections made on the EBR battery?
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