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     Gentleman_jon |
Crevier finishes ninth and Hale brings her in at seventeen. Another top ten finish!! Go Buell!! 1. Eric Bostrom (Yam YZF-R6), 16 laps 2. Josh Hayes (Hon CBR600RR), -2.256 seconds 3. Jason DiSalvo (Yam YZF-R6), -2.304 seconds 4. Aaron Gobert (Hon CBR600RR), -10.311 seconds 5. Michael Barnes (Suz GSX-R600), -10.608 seconds 6. Danny Eslick (Suz GSX-R600), -19.035 seconds 7. Ryan Andrews (Hon CBR600RR), -19.167 seconds 8. Blake Young (Suz GSX-R600), -32.837 seconds 9. Steve Crevier (Buell XB-RR), -55.962 seconds 10. Tony Meiring (Suz GSX-R600), -56.321 seconds 11. Jason Perez (Yam YZF-R6), -56.455 seconds 12. Chris "Opie" Caylor (Suz GSX-R600), -56.795 seconds 13. Armando Ferrer (Kaw ZX-6RR), -69.087 seconds 14. Alastair Seeley (Yam YZF-R6), -69.194 seconds 15. Tyler McDonald (Yam YZF-R6), -69.270 seconds 16. Gustavo Laya (Kaw ZX-6RR), -80.866 seconds 17. Michael Hale (Buell XB-RR), -81.842 seconds 18. Barrett Long (Yam YZF-R6), -90.207 seconds 19. Victor Chirinos (Kaw ZX-6RR), -91.581 seconds 20. Chris Siebenhaar (Suz GSX-R600), -1 lap 21. Eric Spector (Yam YZF-R6), -1 lap, 12.920 seconds 22. Eric Haugo (Yam YZF-R6), -1 lap, 16.239 seconds 23. Mark Hatten (Duc 749R), -1 lap, 17.941 seconds 24. Jessica Zalusky (Kaw ZX-6RR), -1 lap, 45.049 seconds 25. Joseph Ford (Yam YZF-R6), -1 lap, 74.684 seconds 26. Myron Bell (Suz GSX-R600), -3 laps, DNF, mechanical 27. James Kerker (Hon CBR600RR), -8 laps, DNF, mechanical 28. Michael Morgan (Suz GSX-R600), -9 laps, DNF 29. Ty Howard (Hon CBR600RR), -16 laps, DNF, mechanical 30. Ryan Elleby (Hon CBR600RR), -16 laps, DNF, crash 31. Garrett Carter (Yam YZF-R6), -16 laps, DNS 32. Taylor Knapp (Suz GSX-R600), -16 laps, DNS | ||
| Curtyd |
55 seconds off the leader, in how many laps? Not that great, really, and I am sorry to see it. | ||
| Jimidan |
Aw, come on Curt, Crevier had a great battle with Tony Meiring (Police)...and beat him. All the folks that beat the Buell were on very well organized satellite teams who arrive in tractor trailer trucks, have multiple riders and factory money all over the place. It was a great ride to come from 18th...you have to admit. Frankly, he did much better than I (or anyone who was honestly watching the pre-race run-up) anticipated. Go BUELL! jimidan (Message edited by jimidan on August 06, 2006) | ||
| Mutation_racer |
curt rome wasn't built in a day slow your roll. when you were young im sure you pissed and $hit in your paints before you did it in a toilet.  | ||
| Jimidan |
Yeah, that was what I was trying to say...only I can't mix metaphors nearly as artistically as the Mutant Man. jd | ||
| Mutation_racer |
yep, i have a way with words | ||
| Court |
I'm frankly pretty excited about the Buell effort. It takes a HUGE EFFORT just to get the green light to do a bike, develop it and get it to the track. Few, folks (see the thread about the VR effort elsewhere) have an inkling of what is involved. Many of the Japanese teams have proven that $$ can accelerate the process..to a degree, but only to a degree. Buell is dealing with cultural (i.e. there are some people who are really PISSED it's Buell racing and not HD) and corporate "negative transfer of knowledge" that lingers from the VR program, which any way you slice it was a disaster steered into the ground by personality and bureaucracy. Erik Buell was close enough to that to know what the orange cones that need to be avoided look like. Buell is also having to do a great deal of development "on track" during 20 minute practice sessions and actual races. It's easier to marshal support, even a little support, to "go racing" on a weekend than to lobby for $50K for track time during the week with no spectators. Buells basically having to learn under a microscope....any lack of "stellar" performance gets met with a chorus of "I told you so". I keep telling the group to keep their head down, stay focused and keep the goal in sight. I'm convinced that the Buell Racing effort is going to bear fruit and we're going to see some spectacular racing. That's just my opinion...... | ||
| Mutation_racer |
what he said | ||
| Whodom |
Nice shot of Steve from the AMA site:  | ||
| Whodom |
BTW, does anyone know why this AMA page shows Crevier as having qualified #2? http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/raceres/rr/qres.asp?cls=fe&snct=p6260&type=q &rnum=1&year=2006 | ||
| What_the |
That's just Group 1, which means he didn't practice so well. Group 2 was the fast (top half) guys from practice. Go back and look a the "riders in final" for overall qualifying. | ||
| Slaughter |
Good read on the level of effort and number of YEARS it looks like Kawi and Honda to put in before they can challenge Suzukis dominance in Superbike: http://www.amasuperbike.com/article.php?UID=7f4IDWVsjg9guDqWiCQBTly9l5D69Y&sc=11 20&aid=8441 And we're talking Kawasaki and Honda here - they're rumored to have big money available. | ||
| Curtyd |
Hey, I have been a defender here and other places over the mega-bucks of the I-4's and Co.'s race teams against BUELL's early efforts. BUT I still think 55 seconds down doesn't qualify as "in the hunt". Good thing about being down is there is only one or two ways to go, "UP" or out... | ||
| Darkducati |
Is that a standard brake rotor I see? No more ZTL? What gives? | ||
| M2nc |
Speaking of going up, please take note that this is the first race that all Buells entered finished. That is a win in itself, another marked improvement. If you look, seven of the twenty-nine Japanese I-4 did not or almost 25%. I have to agree Curt, still some work to do, but if Buell keeps hitting top tens, soon it will be a top five, then a podium, then a victory. I'm loving it, Go Buell!! (Message edited by M2nc on August 06, 2006) | ||
| Curtyd |
I am "GO BUELL" also, but as a spectator/consumer, I don't abide by racing to be the fastest "Back Marker." At that point I think they should split the field, the fast guys race the faster guys, and the not-so-fasts race in another venue. It's tough on the privateers I know, but I seem to enjoy better the races where everyone is at the same level technologically and the rider makes the difference as long as it's FAST. In other classes of racing that took motor restrictions and such. I HATED the BMW Cup by the way, too DARN SLOW for me. Right now I also hate that the Daytona 200 is NOT the premier streetbikes but the middleweights, what is that all about? | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Looks like they went the way of Trojan with the front brake setup. Didn't Matt say this setup was better then the ZTL and get flogged for it. Look's like someone else believes it performs better on the track also I guess. | ||
| M2nc |
Curt - The superbikes were having problems with tires. With the speeds they were hitting they were having allot of tire failures so AMA switched to FX for the 200 as a safety measure. At least that is what I read in an article somewhere, I believe Cycle World and it may have been the article on the XBRR. I like the idea for privateers. No restrictions, just a buy out rule. If you want to keep big money out just have a buy out rule. If someone is five seconds faster, buy his bike for $X. That keeps big money out of the slower class. Supersport (the fast guys) then Superstock twenty thousand dollar bikes and under. | ||
| Curtyd |
The tire issue is crap, Mladin whined after a couple of blowouts in tire testing. If they can keep tires on 240HP MOTO GP bikes with greatly increased power to weight ratios, they can keep them on Superbikes with 50 less HP. Maybe Dunlop who sponsors Suzukis can't, but Michelin and Pirelli do every weekend in MOTO GP, don't you think? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Moto GP doesn't run anywhere close to 200 miles on a "3 stop strategy" that's 66+ miles on a tire. Before the new layout a large percentage of that time was on the left side of the tire at very high speed. Even with the changes the bikes are very hard on the tires at Daytona. Try looking at the race take-offs at the tire vendors at Daytona. It's gruesome, even on a CCS and ASRA weekend. | ||
| Anonymous |
Dark and Thanse, The dual discs are on the bike because they bought one of the $10,000 Ohlins front ends that Honda and Yamaha are using, and it's the only way it comes at the moment. There was great concern about the roughness and general condition of Mid Ohio, so they spent the money. Remember Jeremy ran the ZTL to a higher position finish at Laguna, and Crevier himself was up to 7th at Road America with the ZTL on a track that is MUCH worse on brakes than Mid Ohio. So, once again, I think the results tell it like it is. So don't buy into the Trojan horse, guys! | ||
| Whodom |
Photo from Superbikeplanet:  Caption: "Crevier on the Mae West-like Buell." | ||
| Curtyd |
And who says they HAVE to run on a 3-stop strategy? That's completely their call, what about other Endurance Racing? If not making 200 miles was valid we'd never have any of that racing. It's baloney, Mladin complained, Dunlop couldn't make a tire or something. I've been watching this race for 30 years, those TZ's were CRAZY, yet Roberts and Lawson ran them nose to tail inches from the high wall on the banking for 200 miles. Other "political" things are going on, I'm not sure if it's wrong or right, but it isn't a tech issue but a marketing one. I miss seeing the PREMIER bikes run Daytona and feel it's stepped down a class with the FX. | ||
| Davegess |
No politics when not one but two tires blow and send a guy sliding down the banking so fast that he wears his leathers clean through. The weight, both from the heavy superbikes and the g forces a tire killers. Daytona eats tires like no where else on earth. AS far as the MotoGP tires go, they held up real well at Laguna didn't they? | ||
| Darkducati |
Well I hope to see the ZTL back on there soon. I am a firm believer in that hardware and would be very sad to see it go. | ||
| Butch_xb9r |
"There was great concern about the roughness and general condition of Mid Ohio, so they spent the money." Was this comment in relation to the track's surface? Or in relation to the track's layout? Or a combination? My brother just helped repave the track so I'm curious. So far I've heard/read nothing but good comments on the job Kokosing did with the surface whether its been cars or bikes. http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060806/SPORTS/6 08060341/1006 Mat Mladin, a six-time Superbike champ and a critic of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, was somewhat complimentary of the venerable road course during an interview with Chris Martin of AMASuperbike.com. "The surface is beautiful. I can't complain about the surface at all. This is probably the best surface we go to anywhere as far as being smooth and having some decent grip," he said. That comment made track President Michelle Trueman Gajoch do a double take. However, he had more to say to Martin. "But as I've said for years and we stressed last year when they were finally going to repave this place, you make the surface better and the lap times will be quicker and the walls are effectively going to get closer. That's it. That still hasn't changed," Mladin said. | ||
| Xb9 |
anyone who isn't happy with a highly respectable top ten finish has not a clue what it takes to compete at this level. Hang around the races and paddock area's awhile before you judge. There is so much more to it than just throwing a good rider on a good bike and expecting it to win. It will get better with more race time & experience to refine the details. | ||
| Baasinator |
"All the folks that beat the Buell were on very well organized satellite teams who arrive in tractor trailer trucks, have multiple riders and factory money all over the place." Did you see the Picotte rig that Crevier's bike arrived in? It was easily my favorite truck in the paddock. I think I could live in that thing. Crevier absolutely rode the wheels off that bike in the race. Everytime the bike passed by, it obviously caught my attention, but Crevier really got my attention when I realized he was catching the group running 9th/10th/11th. Once he caught them, he had no trouble getting by all three. But for the rest of the race, he was doing all he could to hold off Perez (especially heading into turn 1). The final lap or two was a free-for-all directly behind the Buell with Meiring finishing best-of-the-rest. But Crevier stayed in front of them for half the race and EARNED that top ten finish!!!! | ||
| Trojan |
I think the results tell it like it is. So don't buy into the Trojan horse, guys! Anony, you really do need to stop making snide personal attacks on people on this board. You are getting just too much. Your constant attacks on people are really starting to wind me up now. If it isn't us then it is anyone who even dares mutter anything less than complimentary about Buell. We have gone out on a limb here in the UK to race the only XB in the UK Thunderbike championship (which incidentally WE organised to give people the chance to race Buells competitively in this country) without ANY assistance or input from Buell UK or the Buell factory, and all we hear from you is whining. In fact get on a plane, come to England and take a look at the tracks we race on and what we have to work with before you criticise other teams choice of brakes. We tried to get the standard ZTL brake to work on track and even had the assistance of Henry Duga in doing so with the provision of a 'factory' disc and pads in 2003. The fact is we could not get it to perform as well as the twin disc setup so we changed. We did not (and still don't) have the option of an 8 piston caliper to play with so had to make choices based on what was available when we needed it. So instead of making snide remarks behind your Anonymous handle maybe you should get your feet off your desk, put your money where your mouth is and try running a race team on a miniscule budget like we do and see what you can make work. Our season race budget probably wouldn't keep you in coffee and donuts. | ||
| Jens |
We race the 8 P calipers since Daytona in our XB Sound of Thunder Racebike. In combination with the right pads and a scoop for cooling (the factory will learn this one day) this brake is able to compete with dual radials, -in brake power and in pad lifetime. Jens |
