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Rex
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looking for some large leathers...I have lost some weight, but still looking for some large leathers...currently between 42-44 waist, and 250 lbs...5 11....thanks, REX
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Totway
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, In regards to the bicycle wheel (or any spoked wheel) my expierence in bicycle racing has shown that a cover over the spokes on both sides will substantially reduce the drag of the wheel, In bicycle track racing we use model airplane covering glued to the rim and shrunk with heat tight across the spokes.
Just don't use it on a wheel that steers for stability reasons! Good luck at Bonneville!!
Tim
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Sarodude
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

It is REQUIRED that front wheels be cross ventilated. No wheel discs are permitted.




Straight from SCTAs online rules.
-Saro
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Fssnoc2501
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK Blake,

Jees, I knew this would open a great big kettle of worms and that is not my intent. The wheel stays as I'm not comfortable with the bicycle wheel idea (that was discussed adnauseum during the planning stages).There will be a fender over the wheel prior to Bonneville which should smooth things out abit and reduce some of the drag.

I also agree that the use of the term wing was incorrect, deflector is a much better description. Wind tunnel no. Speed hope to obtain between 90-100 mph. Height at bottom of deck about 9".In my thinking about 1" higher in the back will be just about right without creating too much drag, but that is why I'm asking.

I agree with you I don't want to start a big drawn out discussion, but the engineers in the crowd have a better idea about this effect than I do.

Ray
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Sparky
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Re: Leathers vs Roadcrafter question, Aerostich's Kevlar vs Cordura article, "Some Kevlar suits may provide good crash performance because they are specifically designed for sanctioned competitive roadracing. Roadcrafter suits aren't, but fortunately they're designed for everything else, including abrasion resistance at highway speeds." Doesn't sound like they'd be certifying their suits for Bonneville. I guess that answers my initial question. Thanks for the look into the rules.

A side note, I looked at 2 top brands of leather suits at the local Cycle Gear store. They looked nice with hard armor and such, but for $600 - $800 apiece there was a disclaimer inside something to the effect, "...does not provide personal protection per..." abcxyz National Safety Council (not sure which one) -- didn't give me a good feeling.

I saw no such disclaimer at Bates Leathers. Their's cost twice as much but they're the best in my book wrt quality, performance & durability. However I'm still looking for a quality bargain suit so I'll check out Chaparral's store and Blake's discontinued items tip. Thanks Blake.

Sparky
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am not responsible for what may happen when the counter at TEAM ELVES hits zero.

Nuff said......

Court
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ray,
Like I said above, ballast is the way to go if you are concerned about the sidecar lifting. Forget about a deflector if you are really serious about a land speed record. A deflector or wing for that matter does nothing for you until your airspeed reaches a significant level, and chances are that a deflector would end up causing more problems than it might prevent (think gust of wind from your right side getting under and lifting the deflector).

Plus a deflector on the sidecar would impose not only drag, but a yawing moment that at high speeds would tend to pull your bike to the right. You would have to offset that by steering to the left; that's more drag and squandered traction; that's bad on a LSR vehicle.

Saro,
Is a sidecar wheel a front wheel? :p And anyway I didn't suggest using a streamlined wheel, just meant to suggest a smaller (read thinner) one.
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Sarodude
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

Is a sidecar wheel a front wheel?




DOH! Man, I gotta get my hearing checked. Then I gotta learn how to read...

Blake- Totway suggested a streamlined wheel. I read that rule 3 times. I copied & pasted it and reviewed my post. NEVER did I notice the word FRONT in there!

-Saro
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saro:

You familiar with the "Patch Fines"? I have the authority to impose a special fine when the genetic composition of the DNA steam of the humanoids is threatened.....you're close....damn close. :)

Court
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Henrik
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Leathers: did anyone mention New Enough yet?

Henrik
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Xgecko
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

New Enough is an awesome compnay they are cheap, have a good return policy and they are nice people
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Aaron
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A few pics to wet your appetite ...

Right side
I know it doesn't look like a different bike in this pic, but believe me, under the bodywork it's a whole different bike. This bodywork isn't available anymore and I *really* wanted to use an RR body again (my unfair advantage), so I grafted the RR1000's race body (which I own) onto the new race bike. The chassis is a '95 S2 that I bought from Jim Bantz, painter extraordinaire. Jim did the paint job on the bike, a couple years ago. It looks great.

Note the rear exhaust outlet, under the seat. I was stressing over this, wondering how in the hell I was going to route that pipe without having to hack the fairing lowers to death. Then I got it all assembled and I looked and lo and behold, there was a pretty easy way to just take it out the back! The RR body was made to accomodate the XR motor's rear carb and air cleaner, and it left me plenty of room to slide a pipe through there.

The lowers didn't really fit right, though. The RR's shock is a tiny little thing, and this shock was forcing the right side lower over a couple inches. On the left side, the Evo primary must be wider or something, because the lower ran into the clutch cover before it was hanging down straight. I pondered hacking them up, but in the end, I made an aluminum plate to sit in between them essentially widening the bodywork. The lowers are about 2" wider in the front and 4" wider in the back.


under the hood
A peek under the hood. 100 cubic inches of Cycle-Rama POWER! What a motor. I am *so* impressed with the result, that Wes fella is one sharp cookie. Make no mistake about it, although I did the final assembly, this thing is his design, he prepped the heads and the lower end and specified the cams and carb and exhaust and several other things. He nailed it right out of the box. 155.9hp and 123.5 ft/lbs of torque. I'm DAMN fortunate to have him on my side.


front fender
Added a few new acknowledgements to the front fender, getting pretty tight on there! And there's one more I need to add, too. Mark Souter and Len Havens run a local shop called "Frontline Cycles". They're both outstanding Harley mechanics and overall great guys. They've helped me extensively with getting various pieces, and also with some of the engine procedures that required special tools I don't have. They'll be at Bonneville.


Dash
Pretty similar to last year's dash ... nitrous controller, tach, fuel pressure gauge, and a few switches.

This bike is basically done. I've gotta change the rear sprocket to reflect what the dyno told me the other day, and I've also got a super-duper clutch on the way, I'm uncomfortable with what I've got in there. Then it goes through something of a review period, where I look for things that could be done better, things I might've overlooked, etc. I like having that review time, it's no guarantee things will go smoothly but it sure improves the odds.

Man am I getting jacked. Testosterone is really starting to flow.

This is hard. As Ray and Jim and Rocky are figuring out, it's a LOT of work, and also especially in this case, a LOT of risk. We are really pushing things hard. Wish us luck.
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Aaron
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think I showed the torque curve on this thing, did I? take a look ...

hp and torque

Look at that torque curve. Who says drag pipes suck? 110 foot/lbs at 3500rpm. And this is a short pipe that's drawing hard at 6300rpm! It's a good design, yet another product of The Great and Powerful Wizard's R&D.

The reversion is pretty well dealt with by the Thunderjet carb circuit (not to be confused with a Thunderslide). This is my first experience with one, they're a good solution for difficult to carburete situations like drag pipes create.

The power is still rising when I shut it down ... a sign of GREAT heads. I really don't want to rev this monster that high.
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Henrik
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now *that's* a good dyno run - maybe that is the set-up I should be considering for my S2. It would sure make for peppy sport touring :)

Henrik
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Ferris
Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron, can't decide which gives me bigger wood, Daisy Fuentes in this month's Stuff magazine, or the pics of your bike above. geez, man, is there NOTHING you can't do?

and speaking of nice work, that JB2 fella is an artist at more than just words :-)

here's a fantasy i think most of us could get behind: Erik Buell and Co. hire Aaron (while allowing him to continue to work from the comfy confines of his cool Colorado compound), assign him the title of "Large Poject Leader", and give him an unlimited budget to create the '05 XB1500ST-LB Lightning Bolt.

build it, and i will come.

Ferris
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Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,I hate you for being that far along.I know,I know he has lots more practice at this.I figure if I started in feb. I would have lots of time---right!!!.Finally dropped the bike off to get trans put in and body work will go to painters next week--after I finish hacking away at it.(Thanks to Jack Van Voast for S-1 gas tank.)I am amazed at how badly this stuff fits.I cannot see how it would have been much easier on an S-1,their just not THAT different.Got my Avon tires from sponsor deal this week --Azaros for S-2 and vintage roadrace tires for the Honda,sweet!I have a bunch of little stuff left to do--hook up kill switch,fuel solenoid,tach,catch can,etc.
Roc--I feel exactly what you said last night.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys need to check out leathers section of E-bay,I got mine and my son's off there.Paid 120 for his and 160 for mine.Nice stuff,and both guys said if it doesn't fit send it back.
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Peter
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,
Too cool fella......
Looks good.
PPiA
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Roc
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very nice Aaron.

I tell you guys, if nothing else I'm learning. I frequently find myself low on the learning curve though, and it kind of hurts to cram all of the new stuff in my head.

I keep breaking the golden rule too, you know the one about wearing stain free pants into the garage.

I think I'm done with my dash and electrical. I'm trying for new fuel lines, fuel line covers, new vacuume lines, and to have the 6 speed installed by Monday.
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Roc
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dash

Peter - I'll call Aerocharger again on Monday. They should have called me Thursday or Friday, but they seem to have trouble returning calls.
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Aaron
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henrik, that *would* be fun in a street bike ... go around picking on Hayabusas.

Ferris, that sounds like a great bike! I'd buy one. Maybe two.

Nice dash, Rocky!

Jim, Rocky, it's amazing to me how many details there are in a project like this, just so many things to do. I make lists, procure parts, try to plan what I'm going to tackle when and make sure the parts and materials are in hand in time.

But it's still a long slow process, because it's not straightforward. It's not like it's just bolting something together, you've got to constantly be working out how you want to do things. And then fabricating this and that, everything from the chain guard to the coil bracket. That's what takes so long.

If it's any consolation, it goes much faster the second year, when all you have to do is take it apart, freshen it, and put it back together.

I've been absolutely working like a dog on this bike. This weekend is the first one in awhile that I won't spend all day both days out in the shop.
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Tripper
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron; what are the messages you placed in the cockpit?

It looks like a record holder even before it turns a wheel in anger. Tell us, have you snuck it out on the road? I would'nt be able to resist.
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Aaron
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave:

"Stand on it now, the older you get the slower you get" (from Stroker Ace)

"We're not here to run second" (from some old Tom Sneva/Texaco star t-shirts, they had'em made up after Tom ran second at Indy 2 years in a row in the early 80's and I've always liked the slogan, I used to wear that shirt to races just in case my competition had any doubt that I was there to win)

"Ride it like you stole it"
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Darthane
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Henrik, that *would* be fun in a street bike ... go around picking on Hayabusas.
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Somebody definitely needs to show them that an air-cooled engine can still kick some major ass...getting a little sick of watching them pull 9.5 second quarter miles with drag bars and then strutting around.

Aaron, that bike is just...holy...words can't...::drools::

Bryan
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Peter
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc,
It's not urgent now. I found a company here that cuts out stainless plate with high pressure water, so I've started making my own bracket. I'm was going to buy one of theirs anyway, so that if I ever sell the turbo as a kit, I'll have the correct one for a Buell.
No need to urgently chase it up for me though. Wait until they call you.
Pete
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron:

WOW !


Court
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Captpete
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron:

GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY!
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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ferris, that sounds like a great bike! I'd buy one. Maybe two.

Aaron, after you design and build said bike, i'm pretty sure Buell & Co. will GIVE you one! (and maybe they'd cut me a screamin' deal for coming up with the idea in the first place............)

BTW, the "ST" in the designation stands for "Sport Touring", natch, and THIS, in my opinion, is where the money is these days.

all day comfort, room for two (and the espresso maker), state-of-the-art EVERYTHING, killer good looks, and power to burn.

yum me!

FB
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh my gosh.......Lord help us all!

I just got off the phone with Richard Nallin. May I say, emphatically, that this boy's enthusiasm eclipses the rest of us. He's yelling screamin . . dancing . . fiddling . . plotting, "visualizing fast" and so frickin' focused it's scary to talk to him.

I get done with him, he asks to talk to Vick and all he can ask about is FOOD???? In his word's "I got the FAST handled, I wanna make sure I don't starve" He won't.

Richard sends his best to everyone. If you are within driving, riding, flying or crawling range and can make it....this will be, I assure you, WORTH SEEING.

Court
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Que wavy "entering a dreamworld" screen.......

Sound of phone ringing.........

Hello....

Susan..this is Court, may I speak to Aaron please?

Just a moment, he was out in the yard sunbathing, he came in a moment ago to fill his lemonade and go back to his nap.

Court?

Yes, Susan.

Well, I THOUHGT he was here. One of the neighbors said they saw him tossing his golf clubs in the truck and leaving in his Bermuda shorts. I imagine he just went to play 9 holes. May I have him call you when...


BANG.....shatter fantasy.....return to reality.

Ok...for a "Free" Team Elves patch....

Aaron Wilson, by his OWN words, is done with "THE BIKE".

He is:

A) Sunbathing
B) Napping
C) Sipping Margaritas
D) Playing golf
or
E) Working on the bike!


:)
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