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Miwhite
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 11:42 am: | 
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Horsepwoer TV had an episode where they visited the Royal Purple lab. One of the tests is the oil's ability to resist foaming. They inject air into a quantity of oil and a small amount or foam on the top of the oil is acceptable. Critical for passing the foam test is the length of time it takes for the foam to dissipate. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 12:07 pm: |
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This is not foam it is Cheese Whiz and for whatever reason is not right. |
Teeps
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 02:20 pm: |
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Well, if Amzoil says it's ok and they will repair the engine when/if it blows up, due to lubrication failure.
Then it is all good. |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 02:30 pm: |
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Amsoil stated the importance that the oil returned to a normal state 1 minute post shutdown. This indeed returns to normal after 1 minute. |
Teeps
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 07:11 pm: |
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Timbobuell,
I'm not comforted by what I see in the photos or what Amzoil is telling you. But hey! It's your bike to do with as you like, just say'n... |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 07:34 pm: |
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I think someone added the Guinness to the swingarm a little too quickly.  |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 08:14 pm: |
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25 miles at 80+ temps is sufficient time to bake out any condensation. If other brands of oil you tried are NOT doing that, then that only drives the point home in my mind that something is not right with that. That has certainly never happened on my bike. If for no other reason than to keep the swingarm clean when checking the oil level, I'd switch brands.
On a side note, Mobil 1 has a pretty big Q&A archive on their website, and the Mobil 1 response to a question about oil foaming (in an SUV) suggested that the owner first make sure that the foam was not the result of coolant contamination and then to send the oil to a lab for analysis. The Mobil 1 expert said that "visible foam is an unusual issue." Would they have said everything is fine if the owner had volunteered that the foam dissipates in under a minute? I don't know, but Mobil 1 certainly didn't offer that possibility up as a warm and fuzzy answer either. |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 09:10 am: |
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Wow. That is what I would call massive foaming. Well beyond what I would call "bubbling". If my Uly's head gasket were leaking I would expect to see that.....what.....air cooled.....never mind.
If I saw that on more than one usage(to eliminate quirks) with only one brand of oil, regardless of it's minute or so to dissipate the air, I would not run that brand of oil again. He gave it a fair test.
I am not an oil engineer, but I have expertise in my forty+ years of using, racing, selling, and changing oils. Some things I see, I just don't like. That would be one of them. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 10:04 am: |
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That certainly is strange. I've been using Amsoil since 5000 miles on all my vehicles. I run the 20-50 in the Geezer Glide and just put the 60 in the Uly. Both cars have Amsoil and I've never experienced what you have. I've never seen foam ever! The Harley has 96,000 and the Buell has 35.000. I don't remember if you changed the Amsoil and tried it again or not but maybe it's having a bad reaction with the previous oil used. If you haven't tried that then I'd drain it, change the filter, and try it again. Don't put more than 2.5 quarts in, including what goes in the filter. Ride it till hot and check the level while it's idling on the kick stand. Whatever level you show while idling is your correct level, don't add any more.
I'm just trying to get things to a base line to take out any anomalies because this should not be happening. |
Shagg1970
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 12:59 pm: |
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I too have used Amsoil since 5000 miles and have never seen this. I ride my Ulysses hard and check it immediately after shut down when I get home it never has any foam. I think there is something wrong with the bike??? |
Nobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 01:18 pm: |
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I have similar issue with my 08 XT. I never had any foaming with Redline. I switched to Amsoil because they sponsor EBR. My foaming is not as bad as the picture, but there is a fair amount on the dip stick. It does dissipate quickly after shutting down. I have never had an oil light come on. My bike has 42k miles. |
Nobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 01:22 pm: |
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To clarify, I put 2.5 quarts in at the oil change and the level is at the 2X mark with a hot idle. This includes what I put in the filter. |
Miwhite
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 01:35 pm: |
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I use Amsoil 20W50. After a relatively short (10 to 15 kms) ride there is a bit of foam on the upper part of the dipstick, but most of the oil on the dipstick has no foam, thus the oil pump picks up no foam. When I recheck the oil, there is no foam. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 01:58 pm: |
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I just did a quick look at who owns what year Uly. Looks like the 2008 + bikes have seen foam but not the pre 08's. Now I only looked at 4 of us so not exactly a scientific discovery but just made me wonder about the improved 2008 oil pump. If it scavenges a lot better than the previous pumps, maybe it's sucking a little air and causing the foam? If it disappears in less than a minute I wouldn't worry about it as it would never reach the bottom of the oil tank. The 07 pump was an improvement over the 06 on the scavenging side and the 08 was all new. Just a thought!? 
Also someone mentioned that Amsoil may not use as much anti foaming agents in there oil and I can't say yes or no but I do know from being in lubrication seminars that they mentioned that 10w40 oil was the worst thing you could put in an engine because all the viscosity enhancers it takes to make a 10wt act like a 40wt take up so much space that it doesn't leave as much room for actual lubrication. So maybe that's why Amsoil uses less anti foaming agents, to leave room for more actual friction reducing lubricant. Once again, just a theory from what I've learned. I'm by no means the expert!
(Message edited by tootal on August 12, 2013) |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 02:58 pm: |
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I run Amsoil 20W50 in my 08 XT with 16,000 miles on it now. I have seen a little foaming at the top level but I really have to look for it to see it. I have not lost one minute of sleep over it, even though I am fussy as heck with my bike. Thanks! |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 06:02 pm: |
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"they mentioned that 10w40 oil was the worst thing you could put in an engine because all the viscosity enhancers it takes to make a 10wt act like a 40wt"
That is true of standard motor oil. The primary benefit of a synthetic is to have a 40 grade stock that behaves like a 10 when cold. So that would not be a reason for a manufacturer to add less defoamant in this case.
Interesting observation concerning the model year, but it would seem other oils in our unscientific study don't exhibit any abnormal foaming and implies that Amsoil 20w50 is just more prone to imitating a quality lager. Certainly so in the OP's bike anyway. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 06:09 pm: |
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...Amsoil 20w50 is just more prone to imitating a quality lager.
Still looks more like a good stout, or maybe a brown ale (like the one I'm having right now) to me.  |
Tootal
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 09:36 pm: |
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"they mentioned that 10w40 oil was the worst thing you could put in an engine because all the viscosity enhancers it takes to make a 10wt act like a 40wt"
That is true of standard motor oil. The primary benefit of a synthetic is to have a 40 grade stock that behaves like a 10 when cold. So that would not be a reason for a manufacturer to add less defoamant in this case.
Interesting observation concerning the model year, but it would seem other oils in our unscientific study don't exhibit any abnormal foaming and implies that Amsoil 20w50 is just more prone to imitating a quality lager. Certainly so in the OP's bike anyway.
Agreed! except that a fine quality lager would not lose it's foam in less than a minute! |
Timbobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 01:09 am: |
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oil changed to much cheaper brand.
No foam.
no other changes other than new kn-177. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 01:00 pm: |
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"Well, if Amzoil says it's ok and they will repair the engine when/if it blows up, due to lubrication failure. Then it is all good".
Hey that is VERY cool. Please post the claims people have had on this one and better still the ones, and the reasons WHY, they did NOT pay out on? Or is it like the "life time" belts (I have had three at least for no reason) on the bike type thing or better still the Thatcham Cat-1 alarm I had on a bike, which via the maker, insured from theft. They said I had to PROVE that the alarm was working at the time of the theft, which of course you can not, so would not pay out. And it was fitted by one of the makers approved people and I had the paperwork to prove it. £10,000 out of pocket.
"I switched to Amsoil because they sponsor EBR". EBR do not use the same engine as the Uly.
Oil. If that is all that worries you on a Uly you must be more lucky that I have been? |
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