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Luftkoph
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 11:36 am: | 
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rumor I heard is that H.D. had finally had it with there VR problems recently, and have switched suppliers, cycle electrics is the supplier,now to what specs. and price point they are built to is another subject I suppose.
I agree with froggy the ce 605 series reg.is probably a better unit,but it is large and beefy,like 1 pound and takes up some room and requires generous airflow, small price to pay for a reliable charging system. |
Luftkoph
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 11:47 am: |
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I have just a few finishing things to do for the final and complete mounting,but this gives you an idea of the size
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Luftkoph
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 11:49 am: |
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another angle
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Luftkoph
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 11:58 am: |
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mounted on 1/4'' aluminum plate(cause thats what I had laying around) cut,drilled,filed and sanded to the size and shape I wanted,then drilled a bunch of 3/8" holes to lighten it up.
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Griffmeister
| | Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 08:13 pm: |
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That's what I wanted to hear, the Compufire lasted 100,000 miles so far. It seems like everyone with the Shindengen has only had about one years worth of riding if that. Does the Compufire work with both single and three phase stators? |
Glenn
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 10:06 am: |
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Here are some pics of my install
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Whisperstealth
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 04:56 pm: |
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Cost is the biggest reason I didnt go with the bigger upgraded unit. I didn't have the money at the time; so went with what had a proven track record of working, was in my price point, and was simple to mount without doing any drilling.
Like I said, things have been great since. Got what I needed. nothing more, nothing less. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 05:12 pm: |
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I know Compufire has a three phase and I would think they have a single but you'd have to ask them. It will be for a Sportster so mounting will be different just like the Shindegen. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 06:45 pm: |
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quote:Froggy, from the description it sounds like if you're running with your headlights on that creates enough load so that the stator would never shut off. If you unplug your lights for a track day it would shut off and give you more HP. I don't know, I almost bought a Shindegen last time but Buellster Parts had a stock unit for $87 so I decided I could do one more at that price. Next time....
It is probably more-so on the 08+ single phase bikes than the older 3 phase bikes. On the 3 phase bikes it could drop it down to single phase, which will still produce some power but will still be discharging the battery. On a single phase it only has the option of totally off, but in that case it just won't switch off much on a stock bike. The 08+ bikes in theory should have a cooler running and longer lasting stator, but I have not seen any hard data.
My understanding is that the 3 phase CE-605 will not work on the single phase bikes, so it is a moot point anyway.
quote:I know Compufire has a three phase and I would think they have a single but you'd have to ask them.
Just don't tell them it is for a Buell, they will hang up on you, stop responding to your emails, and invalidate any warranties.
(Message edited by Froggy on April 22, 2013) |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 01:49 pm: |
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"sounds like if you're running with your headlights on that creates enough load so that the stator would never shut off."
No, thats not how it works. The stator NEVER shuts "off" while the engine is turning. As the engine turns the stator hub
(with the magnets) rotates around the iron cored windings (cooled by the trans oil) creating a A/C output (1 or 3 phase) but only if you have a PD to the VR. The VR then converts this AC to DC but also controls the DC volts output to the system/battery via the volt demand of the bike.
The VR creates a lot of heat, needs good cooling and has always been an issue on bikes. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 07:02 pm: |
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Still better than one of these!
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Griffmeister
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 12:40 am: |
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Hey, I had one of those. At least that was mounted in the airstream. I also had a 66 Bonneville where the diode was behind the left airbox cover, not such a good idea. |
Luftkoph
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 07:04 am: |
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Myself I say there is naught nor ought there be nothing
So exalted on the face of gods great earth
As the prince of electronics
The Zeiner. |
Griffmeister
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 09:59 pm: |
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Yeah, and a couple of "King of the Roads" mounted on a cross bar for night riding.  |
Tootal
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 10:03 pm: |
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Myself I say there is naught nor ought there be nothing
So exalted on the face of gods great earth
As the prince of electronics
The Zeiner
Whenever I put my Triumph back together I've got to find my Diode. I took it apart 30 years ago. Must be in a drawer somewhere!! |
Lyonne
| | Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 03:57 pm: |
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Wish me luck. I'm replacing the stator. I pulled off the primary case and then discovered that a 1 and 3/16 is the one socket I don't own. I don't want to risk damaging the nut, so I'll just wait until I can pick one up. Really H-D, you couldn't use a more common size?
(Message edited by lyonne on April 28, 2013) |
Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 10:12 pm: |
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Same as 30mm. That's what I used. |
Lyonne
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 01:33 pm: |
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I got it fixed. No real problems. I included a couple of pictures. You can definitely see it was a stator problem. In the picture you can see two shiny spots where the stator grounded to the case. You can get by with one ground, but two will cause a problem.
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 05:00 pm: |
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Id say that was a dead stator all right... Bet that thing *stinks*. |
Desert_bird
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 05:47 pm: |
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Anyone want to hazard a guess why our stators have gone bad so quickly? Poor VR's one culprit. Subpar craftsmanship? Too much voltage/heat . . . ? |
Lyonne
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 07:05 pm: |
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For this stator it looks like the winding sticks out enough to make contact with the case. Add a large twin cylinder thumping behind it and wearing through the enamel insulation was only a matter of time. |
Lyonne
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 07:08 pm: |
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Once the stator is grounded in two points, it dumps most of its generated power into high current and thus heat. That is why the windings are burned.
(Message edited by lyonne on May 05, 2013) |
Luftkoph
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 08:18 am: |
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I'm beginning to come around to froggy's thinking about these antique lumps,if HD would have eliminated the primary chain, and used gears to connect the crank to the input shaft of the trans we would have a narrower,more reliable set up, and the magnets could be up against the engine case and the windings could be further away from the engine case,and cooler.
ok I'l quit bittchin.
for now |
Lyonne
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 09:06 am: |
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"Id say that was a dead stator all right... Bet that thing *stinks*."
Yes Reepicheep it stunk. My wife asked if I had been smoking and I don't smoke. |
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