| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
I wonder what happens when Buell finally (hopefully) starts selling the AX model that is a Buell perennial vapor bike. Will it then replace the spot in our garage and hearts? Will it be lighter than the ULY but 1/2 again as powerful? Will it be able to smoothly motor along a under 10 mph, under 5 mph? Will it be able to boldly go where no Buell has gone before? Anyways, Buell had better get this bike in production before battery technology allows Zero to offer a 500 mile per charge bike. I keep reading about batteries that will double or triple the charge density of current lithium batteries. I'll be all over a Zero that can go 500 miles to a charge. In my dreams, right? | ||
| Britchri10 |
Right now? Right! The technology isn't there yet. Lot's of promises but no productivity. I would wager that you could use up a whole AX before battery power is truly viable. Chris C | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Brit, Sadly you are most certainly correct. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
We need a Moore's Law for batteries, stat! | ||
| Britchri10 |
You can quadruple the battery output every six months & it won't make a great deal of difference. It's the energy storage/energy release/energy available/ energy saved calc' that works against an electric motor being able to do what a gas motor can do ATM. (+ gearing, weight, longevity, cost etc'...) It'll come in due course. Just don't expect it soon. Bring on the EBR AX. gas motor. 150HP at the wheel, 120 torques, 375 Lbs...Drool! (I'm just spitballing #'s. I know nothing) Chris C | ||
| Cyclonedon |
On another thread on the quick board, they are saying that EBR will be introducing his new line of motorcycles in October at some large motorcycle show. As far as the Zero motorcycles, I looked at them at the Chicago IMS. I signed up and have received a offer to go test ride one. Now I just have to wait for warmer weather. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Eventually the internal combustion engine will go the way of the dinosaur and the sooner the better. Even though I am an offender, I've always wondered how we can breath the air that millions of engines are belching pollutants into 24/7/365. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Cyclonedon, What are your impressions of those Zero bikes you saw up close? | ||
| Motorbike |
Electraglider_1997, I agree with you about the pollution and all that but if everything eventually goes electric, how much pollution is created to make all that electricity? Nothing is free. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
http://green.autoblog.com/2011/12/16/juicer-48-mot orized-bicycle-gets-its-gumption-from-v-twin-batte r/ | ||
| Red450 |
I saw the Zero and Brammo bikes at the Indy IMS. The Brammo definitely look higher quality and the price tag reflects that.  | ||
| Dr_greg |
...but if everything eventually goes electric, how much pollution is created to make all that electricity? Nothing is free. Nuclear! Sorry, just sayin... Actually, I'm heartened to hear about "small" nuclear plants finally getting some traction. --Doc | ||
| Froggy |
Even in a worst case scenario like Coal, the pollution per watt is still less than the amount of gas burned to power an automobile. Cleaner power sources like nuclear, hydro, and solar all widen the gap even further. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Gasoline is a heck of a battery. Too bad it takes so long to recharge. Hydrogen could be just as good and could run ICE or electric, but it's hard to store and handle. If you do the math, nuclear power is pretty much our only hope. | ||
| Murf2 |
I don't understand our energy policy. First off "NO NUKES".We need to get rid of coal and oh yeah lets run everything on electricity. Maybe fairy dust to create electricity? | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Actually I think Nuclear will be replaced by geothermal. Read this: http://altarockenergy.com/ Japan is most likely going this route since their folks have had it with Nuke energy. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Watch this video http://www.youtube.com/embed/Oscqx08zBXQ | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I'd like to see the AX come standard with a lithium ion type battery and on-board battery charger. I've never heard of an on-board battery charger on a bike but I think that it would be nice so that all you'd have to do is run an extension cord to your bike and plug it in. That would be one more thing to set the Buell apart from other bikes. | ||
| 996dl |
I recently heard, that perhaps by October 2013, we'll have some details of only one bike, out the three proposed EBR models. 996DL | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Even Froggy might like the look of this car. 261 mpgallon and it's a plugin diesel hybrid from VW. http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2013/02/21/v olkswagen-vw-vl1/1936365/ | ||
| Buellerxt |
This crazy dreaming of clean, lol, free, or almost free energies, or non fossil fuels, is what drove the moronic obama administration to throw tens of billions, hundreds of billions, of tax payer dollars away on 'wind', which is a toilet drain for taxpayer dollars, 'solar', which has had monstrous losses that should have sh*t canned obama but didn't because we've created too many blind, greenie, dreamers/ignorants, and on and on. Geothermal! LOL Having a lot of insight to the geothermal research and development over the last 40 years I would normally, in the past,laugh at someone reading a pro geothermal article and thinking it is THE SOLUTION, lol, but with this administration it is scary. DO SOME RESEARCH! REAL RESEARCH, before spouting electric this, geothermal that, and on and on. A single pro this or pro that 'article' is NOT research. Sure biodiesel contributes in tiny situations, geothermal contributes in small instances and has potential to increase, wind, ah, what a colossal waste of tax payer money and fraud telling taxpayers that it is reliable and free. It isn't close to either. Not close! Doesn't this thread belong in the anything goes Quick Board section and not in the Ulysses section? I think so. I've ignored this stuff as long as I could but the baloney, and false hope, which too often drives HUGE taxpayer subsidies that are essentially thrown away, just got to be too much. Go talk about it until hell freezes over in the general Quick Board section. Lets talk about and discuss the Ulysses here. We're not interested, here, in this section of Badweb, that you read an article on electric bikes or geothermal energy, lol, watched a youtube video and got stoked, LOL, are an electric freak, a geothermal freak, etc. We're interested, in 'THIS' section, about sharing info. on Buell Ulysses's; that is the reason 'this' section was created. Why do you not go to the Quick Board section that was set up for general, anything goes, subjects like electric bikes, geothermal energy, etc.? Why not go there and have a give and take with others wanting to debate those subjects? Too many people telling you you are full of it?  I'm all for clean air, all for renewable energy, and would love to see a magic pill developed but I'm totally against the throwing of hundreds of billions away on baloney platitudes, idealistic dreams, and false hopes. Spreading false sound bites from 'articles', or youtube, is not cool or 'cutting edge'. (Message edited by buellerxt on February 22, 2013) | ||
| Tjmacf |
is somebody holding a gun to your head making you read this... no... ok then. angry closed minds like yours arnt going to find us any better solutions. and next time you feel like taking a dump on somebody's thread just keep it to yourself and move on, that's what the back button is for. | ||
| Buellerxt |
Closed minds! lol That's laughable ol' porous minded one! Be careful what seeps into those pores though! lol Angry? Yes. Angry that superficial bs info like the superficial crap presented influences people looking for easy, clean, solutions but have no idea of the details. Hey, I can ignore it, and I have and will, no problem, but this crap doesn't belong in this section of Badweb. It comes here because most here have no interest in it so people don't call BS and it is easy to float by, hoping to influence those who read it and either don't know much about energy alternatives or don't want to debate it. It stays clear of the Quick Board because it lacks substance and is simple, superficial platitudes. Why doesn't it go to Quick Board and debate the points? Read it all, pardner, but borrowing from your expression, be sure to take a BIG DUMP before believing, or putting much weight in any of it. Better solutions? This country is blessed with HUGE reserves of coal and natural gas and great technologies, getting better by the day, for scrubbing and producing clean electrical power from coal fired plants. Natural gas produces clean electricity and this country has energy equivalent natural gas reserves greater than Saudi Arabia's oil reserves. I'm retired and have no interests in oil but watching this country ignore it's strengths, try to kill oil, coal, and nuclear, and pander to dumb ass greenies who think having to be competitive, being a capitalist country, etc., are outdated, old school ideas makes me sick. Their preference for government control, government directives, and huge government subsidies for energies that are still just ideas, aren't close to being competitive, etc., particularly when that is coupled with the near complete closing of government controlled land for drilling, and the government's attempt to kill the coal industry, one of America's strongest industries, makes me sick. Sure their are millions of Americans, most in fact, who care about the environment, prefer green alternatives 'that are competitive', etc., and those are not the 'dumb asses' I refer to above. The fringe, "I'm a greenie and proud of it" group that spouts non-stop baloney and inaccuracies to the uninformed are the ones I referred to. And, by the way, most, if you look close, are anything but green in anything but talk. If taxpayer dollars, by the tens of billions, weren't being thrown away trying to prove we are 'green' I wouldn't care. But sadly they are. I'm all for cleaner, renewable energies but I'm against the moronic throwing of hundreds of billions away on garbage, not-close-to-being-ready-for-primetime technologies. This country is richly endowed with abundant energy resources that give us time to develop new technologies, in time, if we allow ourselves to get to and manage the resources we have. Many other countries are not in such an enviable situation. Are we doing that? Industry is trying but sadly our government is doing everything possibly through the out of control EPA and non functioning energy department to thwart it. This section of Badweb was set up for discussing Uly's though. There are many sections of Badweb for other issues including the discussion of energy alternatives, politics, etc. (Message edited by buellerxt on February 22, 2013) | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Buellerxt, You just spent more time typing here away from the quick board than anyone else. Take a chill pill and enjoy life. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I would be mad as hell also if somebody had pissed in my Cheerios, but that's about the only reason I would do a rant like that on a thread. EG, I really liked the looks of the Zero motorcycles, but like everything else, they are kinda pricey right now but if the technology and manufacturing improve, the prices should start to drop more into line. I don't think they will ever be a long distance tourer. | ||
| Buellerxt |
I enjoy life fully, glider, and have no interest in debating energy alternatives, or anything else, so the Quick Board is of no interest to me. Energy was my field but I'm into enjoying life now, as you recommend, , so though I keep abreast of energy developments I keep it to myself. I respect your interest in alternative energies but I prefer we all respect the reasons for the various sections of Badweb and use the appropriate sections. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Given that all our knowledge of the AX is purely speculative at this point, and that EBR did design a gas/electric Hybrid for Hero, I'm not sure an electric bike discussion on an AX forum is that much less relevant than any other AX hypothetical. Though I suppose by that same logic we could be discussing room temperature fusion reactors... so that does leave a lot of room for thread drift. The knowledge vault is where we will get really strict about staying narrowly on topic. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
A Buell fusion reactor powered adventure bike. Now that would probably leave quite the inner thigh burn but it sure would let Buell one up every other bike manufacturer. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just so long as it doesn't come with Micheal J Fox and bad 1980's fashions. | ||
| 46champ |
What do you have against big hair.....on girls. | ||
| Conchop |
I'm all for that free socialist energy/power that Tesla played with in his electric Pierce Arrow. The question is, was it a Tesla design or a Tesla modified Moray power supply? Oh well, the question is moot since it was a socialist power supply. Greedy conservative carbon robber barons and banksters couldn't cash in on such a thing. Still, the possibilities for a long range high performance electric ADV bike is intriguing.  | ||
| Conchop |
I'm all for that free socialist energy/power that Tesla played with in his electric Pierce Arrow. The question is, was it a Tesla design or a Tesla modified Moray power supply? Oh well, the question is moot since it was a socialist power supply. Greedy conservative carbon robber barons and banksters couldn't cash in on such a thing. Still, the possibilities for a long range high performance electric ADV bike is intriguing. |
