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Yan
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an '08 Ulysses with a stock exhaust and K&N air filter. Would I gain anything by installing EBR racing ecm? Thanks!
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes! Better fuel economy, better acceleration, better behavior across the board. The stock fueling on the 08+ bikes is weak to meet EPA specs, but the Race ECM makes the bike run as intended.
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Yan
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks! Is buying a cable and ecmspy software an alternative, or ebr race ecm is the ultimate solution?
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can buy a cable and use free software like TunerPro to tweak it yourself, but the EBR solution is fantastic, and is plug and play ready to go. There are a bunch of threads on here about tuning your bike and altering settings and datalogging if you really want to play around with it, but the Race ECM is a zero effort "heat and serve" solution.
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Yan
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just ordered one from EBR, hopefully it's as good as they say : )
Good thing is it works for both '08 and '09, so it will fit both my X and my wife's XT.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+ 1 on Froggy's answer.
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Bdub_uly
Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got my EBR ECM yesterday. Is there any advice on installation? Just plug and play? Perhaps a Throttle Sensor Reset to begin with?

Thanks
bdub
2008 Uly
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Bdub_uly
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 04:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW!
I'm absolutely thrilled at the difference. It's like a different bike!

Now it takes off like it should, idles like it should, and runs like a turpentined cat.

Thanks to everyone who suggested this $300 "cure all". IT REALLY WORKS

bdub
2008 Uly
Central Texas
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Weecorey
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is the difference in the EBR ECM and the standard ECM? Is the EBR version just a standard ECM re-mapped?

I feel my XT isn't as quick as it should be.
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Is the EBR version just a standard ECM re-mapped?




They are both computers and both control multiple bike functions, the similarities end there. Race ECM has different programming for nearly everything including fuel mapping, ignition, idle control, fan*, and a bunch of other things. It fixes all the little things that make your bike not feel right.

You could make a stock ECM the equivalent to a Race ECM by pouring enough hours into it with a ECM tweaking program, but the Race ECM is a plug and play solution.

*Fan operation is the same as the 2010 comfort kit programming where it runs the fan constantly at 15+mph and rarely below that, including almost never after key off.
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Buellyxt
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just installed the race ECM myself, and the instruction called for a TPS reset on the 08-10 models. Did that. I'm running stock exhaust. Let it idle the prescribed time, thing is I thought fan programming was going to match the comfort kit install I did two years ago. Fan came on after shutting it down, like it was stock. Only for a moment, but it never did that with the comfort kit reflash. Otherwise, a totally different idle sound, and throttle is very sensitive (no time for ride, though.

Am I missing something here? I was hoping (and reading) that the race ECM had the most up-to-date fan logic. Perhaps a few rides will even it out? Thoughts? Thanks.

Buellyxt
2008 Blue XT
Richmond, VA
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes your race ECM has the newer fan logic.


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*Fan operation is the same as the 2010 comfort kit programming where it runs the fan constantly at 15+mph and rarely below that, including almost never after key off.




Congrats on finding the almost never. : )
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Yan
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an '08 model - do I really have to do TPS reset when installing the race ecm? If yes how do I do that - I hope I don't have to take it to the dealer for that. Thanks!
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A TPS reset is required when replacing the ECM, regardless of year. The throttle position sensor works a little differently on each bike, so the ECM needs calibration accordingly. Here is the procedure:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/561521.html?1285617127
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Brown_e
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Need a ECM for my 06. Is the original ECM the way to go?
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Ulyranger
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yan, yes you have to reset tps, but the good news since you have an 08 like mine it's eazee-peazee. Hint, check your owners manual, it's DIYS.
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Yan
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Froggy and Ulyranger. I am not quite clear as to why TPS reset is even required to be done on ecm replacement - isn't it done automatically on 08+ Ulysses, with an old or new ecm?

By the way, is the procedure outlined in Owners or Service Manual?

Thanks!
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I am not quite clear as to why TPS reset is even required to be done on ecm replacement - isn't it done automatically on 08+ Ulysses, with an old or new ecm?




Yes it is done automatically, but you need to force it after swapping the ECM, otherwise the ECM will use whatever incorrect TPS setting it has till it automatically recalibrate.


quote:

By the way, is the procedure outlined in Owners or Service Manual?




It is in the service manual, but it almost verbatim with the instructions I linked to.
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Yan
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Froggy! So worst comes to worst it will autocorrect the TPS settings later on anyways, right?
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes. I did an experiment with my 1125R, I didn't do a TPS reset after installing a brand new EBR ECM, it ran fine, the next day I did a TPS reset, it ran noticeably better.

I don't know the parameters to trigger the automatic recalibration, but given how stupidly easy it is to do the TPS reset there is no reason not to.
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Guzzidad
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 09 runs fine with the stock ECM. I'm on my second one because the plug connection broke on the original, like so many others. I have re-located it. Still, if my bike could run so much better I'ld be willing to buy an EBR ECM. Do I buy that from the Harley shop I bought my bike from or from somewhere else?
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Sharkguy
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guzzidad, go to http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/xb12/x b12-preprogrammed-ecm.html
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Weecorey
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How difficult is it to reprogram the standard ECM to race ECM spec? Is it possible to upload different maps to the standard ECM as you would do on a Power commander??

I know the race ECM is $300, but that cant be reprogrammed without spending another $750.

I have a Remus exhaust on my XT and I'm planning on putting a set of equal length 1 7/8" custom made headers in the future, it seems there are no options for the Remus on the EBR ECM.
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Smackerage
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it possible to reprogram the OEM ECM to EBR logic?
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