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Hoover_uly
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2012 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello All,

This all started when I removed the muffler to strip (major pain) and repaint. It is nearly ready to paint but I am now considering the Jet-Hot coating on the header.

The header looks kinda crappy which I guess is typical for the original finish. Aside from the appearance which I could live with, the bike still generates a good bit of heat on the right side. As far as I am aware, all mods for comfort have been performed. Complete comfort kit/EBR ECM with latest fan logic/creative HVAC tape work on frame. It is much better than when I purchased but since I can feel the heat now riding at 60 degrees, I assume it'll still be uncomfortable at 98 degrees or so this summer.

So, checking here and other sites, the consensus seems to be that the coating lasts a fairly long time and if coated silver, a lot more heat blows out the exhaust than radiating from the pipe. American Sport bike has a core program that looks reasonably priced and I can get everything I need from them. Probably within a week or so if they have a header in stock.

I would like to hear from Badwebbers that have this mod on their bikes. Especially those that live in a very hot,humid climate. It was 75 degrees here yesterday which I admit is a little unusual...

Did this mod make a significant reduction in the heat output?
Was it worth the time and investment?

The other factor is the removal/installation procedure. I have seen info that indicates it is possible to remove the header without rotating the engine but it was not so clear which model(s) was being discussed. I have an 09 XP. I expect I have or can easily obtain all the hand tools I need.

Seems like by removing the rear shock and fan, I could get at the Oxygen sensor and rear header nuts and it should come out with a little wiggling. Is this the case or am I badly mistaken? A general overview of the best procedure would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 06:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had issues with my right leg cooking a couple of summers back.
My Uly has the Comfort Kit and Steve's(Maximum) heat blanket, so I have a heat shield on the header.

I polished the header, while on the bike, and dropped the heat noticeably.





Z
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to be a jerk, but with proper riding apparel, the heat is not an issue.

Get the jet coat for cosmetic reasons if you wish, but a decent $100 to $175 pair of First Gear mesh riding pants with armor and winter liner will solve your heat problem, and prevent skin grafts.

Seriously... you can't imagine how bad even a 2" circle of bad road rash can hurt, and for how long it can linger.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A good polish greatly reduces the heat radiating from Buell headers; shiny surfaces are poor radiators; try Eagle 1 metal polish. I saw my friend Dana use it once in a Daytona parking lot, amazing results. If I recall correctly, limited by circumstances, he just used paper towel. Better might be to wrap a long thin strip of cloth saturated with polish around a tube and pull on each end working back and forth.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I rotated the engine to remove the header. Takes time and patience but is not difficult.

I used silver Jet-Hot. Yes, there's a bit less heat but I am not certain that it is really worth the cost. There is a lot more heat exposure at the frame/seat interface than from the header. I found heat blankets and blocking the gaps at the seat edge to yield more benefit.

Silver Jet-Hot has held up quite well. Over 45k miles and it still looks good and requires not maintenance. I went with the standard silver (glossy), not the ultra high heat coating.

If you ride in jeans, you are going to get hot. Cotton absorbs and holds heat pretty well. Just check your jeans when they are fresh from the dryer. Synthetics are better insulators and do not hold heat to the same extent.
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Rr_eater
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of note Hoover...

Its the jet hot on the INSIDE of the pipe that reflects the heat from soaking into the pipe first, and the outside coating help insulate the pipe even further.

I noticed the difference with a friend of mines Uly and mine side by side, start up from overnight cold at the same time, and mine was noticably cooler longer, and after 2 minutes you could still tap my header real quick without loosing skin, his not a chance.

And the silver Jet hot is really easy to take care of. Denatures alcohol takes out almost all staining, anything else a touch of brake cleaner and looks good as new. I even used some SemiChrome polish to brighten it up a bit once, and still looks great.

Personally, I am sold on it, hell I even have the exhaust manifold on my Audi coated in it!!

Bruce
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Hoover_uly
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, for those with coated headers, the results are mixed. I didn't expect a report that the ceramic coating would make a night and day difference in riding comfort, only looking for honest impressions on cost/benefit. With the mods already on the bike it's clear the improvements can only be incremental and at greater expense.

From an appearance perspective, it is a big improvement but I won't go with the coating for that alone. There are too many other mods I would like to have. I'll polish mine on a rainy day first. Thanks to those that posted the pictures. I wondered how they would look polished.

Regarding riding gear, I'm ATGATT except for boots. Stuck with Red Wing steel toes for my 10EEEEs. Suggestions welcome on adventure/dual sport boots IF YOU HAVE WIDE FEET. The heat is only noticeable now, add 40 degrees and I may pop for the ceramic.

I only purchased the bike in late November so my experience is limited. I can't do anything about the weather but complain or stay at home. With your help, I can make my time on my bike as enjoyable as possible.

Thanks again and more feedback is certainly welcome.
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