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Chief_sitting_buell
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've tried several different configurations and every time I end up getting spooge leaking out the filter. Maybe its venturi effect - i really don't know. Plus I did have the throttle body shaft breakage issue so I'm ready to put it back to original configuration. I was positive I noticed an improvement in low rpm performance when I made the mod but I'm ready to give that up to get rid of the inevitable oily residue. I noticed when I changed the oil and primary fluid this weekend I've got a fine coat of residue all over the bottom of the engine so I'm afraid I'd miss a small oil or tranny fluid leak if I didn't torque the plugs tight enough ( so afraid of over torquing and stripping the plugs ). So my question is - will the ECM have to relearn the configuration or is the change negligible? PS I also have a drummer

Thanks
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Chief_sitting_buell
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

plus the PCV valves seem to be really sloppy - do those buggers just pop in? I'm tempted to just work them free to check the grommets but don't want to risk breaking something that isnt broken. Yet
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It should have no real impact on the way your computer is running the show.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was just in there on mine and my PCVs were loose too.
Are they supposed to be?
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7873jake
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My '07's PCVs float a little in their fittings. Always have.
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Chief_sitting_buell
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

seems like the center of the pcv is not directly over the center of the grommet- when i rotate them i can see more of the grommet as i rotate past 90 degrees. both do it so i suppose they are designed that way. I have no idea why. the good news is no fluids seem to be leaking - at least until i can take it out tomorrow and road test it
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Ulyranger
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you use a can or just have an open hose? I use a catch can and have no problems with spooge/drip.....as long as I remember to empty the can. It is just a container from a brake bleeder kit.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

will the ECM have to relearn the configuration or is the change negligible? PS I also have a drummer




The bike is constantly "learning" regardless of anything you do or don't do. Learning is a terrible word, all it is doing is making a global change to the fueling depending on the input from a sensor. It is no different than turning a steering wheel a tick to keep a car centered in a lane.
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Chief_sitting_buell
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had a can that i prob did not empty often enough. But - the filter was at least 8 inches above the can and ran uphill of a "Y" fitting. There was still vapor condensing on the fins of the filter and the liquid then got blown off the fins onto the bike
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where is your oil level? If you're filling to the full line when hot you will lose it out the breathers.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the point of the breather re-route! To keep all that slime from going back in your motor!

I suppose if you prefer it be in your motor rather than on the filter and bike, than you should put it back.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would anyone want their engine ingesting all that emulsified oil crap?

You might as well just get some dirty oil, put it in a blender with water, whip it up
until it gets nice and sludgey and pour that into your engine while its running.

Good grief.

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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Why would anyone want their engine ingesting all that emulsified oil crap?




I don't want it dumping into atmosphere. I empty my catch can regularly and recycle the fluids, I am going to run the vent tube back up to the airbox so the fumes do not get released.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""I don't want it dumping into atmosphere. I empty my catch can regularly and recycle the fluids, I am going to run the vent tube back up to the airbox so the fumes do not get released.""

Certainly, that's the way it should have been designed from the factory... burning the vapors, not the sludge.

But if you're really all that concerned about the fumes coming from your rocker boxes, then fossil fuel is your real enemy here.

Ride less - that'll help with your carbon footprint.

Or failing that, get an electric bike that gets charged from a bank of solar collectors on your roof.

Like I said, good grief.

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Chief_sitting_buell
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oil level is where it should be. Learned how fast overfilled oil gets blown out a long time ago. Biggest motivation to going back to OEM config is the theory that a lot of folks with broken throttle body shafts had prev done the reroute. Maybe the oily mist keeps it lubed and excess does burn off when combusted. The final straw was the mess on the bottom of the engine. The accumulation over time and the fact that it got blown all over made it really hard to see if I had a minor leak somewhere. Its been rainy so I've yet to ride it since putting the rebreather back to original. I may reroute again once I rule out a leak and if I notice any decrease in performance. But then again, I didn't have any issues in the OEM config, it just made "sense" to reroute it and it was any easy farkle. That was before the big $ bill to replace the throttle body.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You say it like I don't have those plans already : )
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm happy with mine routed into the intake like it came from the factory. As for burning the "spooge", not only do I burn that as it goes in my intake, I also burn gasoline coming out of the tank, and water from the atmosphere. You know, more or less the same stuff the "spooge" is made of.

I don't really care what anyone else does though, it's their mess.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The infinitesimal amount that enters the combustion chamber during each stroke isn't going to harm the engine. Besides, some of the content is H2O and that means "steam clean". I could understand if you overfill the swingarm and the crank vents puke all the excess through the throttle body then during that time you'll get a bunch of crap in the combustion chamber. But a normal running engine with the proper oil level isn't going to be expelling gobs of oil or you are going to notice it on the dipstick and have to be adding oil all the time. I've got 35,000 miles on my ULY and only replaced the rear plug once at 5,000 miles (caused by throttle blipping which is a big no-no) and the front plug is original. I haven't rerouted any crank vent hoses and you'd think if this splooge was so terrible that my plugs would be fouling. Isn't happening.

(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on September 22, 2011)
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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought about doing the mod and even started my shop out to make a canister. The project was derailed when my stator died and the bike was stuck out of town. I believe I will leave the stock configuration. I have not heard of any compelling reasons to make the change plus the bike runs great and I am to lazy to attack a none problem.
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