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Trevd
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 04:07 pm: | 
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Holy Crap!
If the ever-"frugal" Electraglider is ordering the 2010 wheel, we probably all should be!
I've been thinking about getting a 2010 wheel since they came out, but have a hard time justifying buying something to fix something that hasn't broken for me (yet).
But, then again, every time I go for a long ride, I bring my extra bearings with me, my extra spacer, and the fear that something is going to go wrong with my bearings and ruin my trip.
The $400 is probably worth it, just to save me the worry. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:14 pm: |
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Motorbike,
That is exactly what I figured, that it would end up costing me more in gas, parts, ect than the 20 bucks that Al charges. I'm the same way with the pinch bolt, when it's laying on the floor you for sure know that it hasn't gone in. I kinda figured the axle torques would be the same and certainly the larger bearings will be take that 50 ft-lbs easier than those wimpy ass bearings that Buell originally used.
Trevd,
Thanks for being kind with the frugal remark compared to just calling me cheap. Al said he only had 3 more on hand in inventory but sounded like he could order more and yes, he gets them from Harley. Just like you, I always had in the back of my head that a bearing might crap out a very long way from home. Now that would cost a pretty penny getting a broken down bike to some far off dealer and then having it sit there until they got parts or whatever. Now maybe I won't have to worry about that. AND my wife didn't say a word when I said I was going to buy a new rear wheel for the ULY. Maybe she thought I was talking about a tire. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:24 pm: |
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My rear tire is getting pretty bald; I'm starting to lean more towards buying a 2010 wheel along with fresh tires. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:46 pm: |
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I told Al about me going out to Harley and the wheel being way more than what Al was asking. Al said that the 2010 heavy duty ULY wheel was the only one that came with all the other parts for that low price. Apparently if you wanted a 2010 Lightning or Firebolt wheel it would cost way more because all the parts had to be bought separately. Maybe Buell ended up taking care of us ULY riders by making that 2010 rear wheel assembly very affordable, knowing that ULY owners suffered the most failures from the under designed original wheel. Whatever the case may be, I'm glad I did my due diligence on that 2010 wheel otherwise I'd of paid way too much and the dude couldn't abide with that. |
Motoroilmccall
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:37 am: |
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Hey fella's, I don't know if the HD Dealers your buying from are way overpriced or what, but American HD up here in Buffalo quoted me $375 for the wheel with 3 new bearings. Which was actually cheaper than American Sport Bike after shipping. I know they tech's there and they all know these have to get pressed in (the one kid there has 4 Buells, so he know's the in's and out's).
Just saying, whoever was quoted $512 or whatever, I'd be asking to see the book on that one! |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:31 am: |
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I think he looked it up wrong. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:45 pm: |
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To Nebraska from American Sport Bike with the 3 bearings pressed in by Al is $378. UPS says I'll have it at my door by Friday afternoon. |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:55 pm: |
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Does $378 include the axle, seals, narrow spacer on left side, rotor bolts and sprocket bolts and washers? Obviously the long spacer is included as it needs to be installed while the bearings are being pressed in. Thanks. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:58 pm: |
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Does not include the sprocket bolts, washers, and rotor bolts. Includes the axle, seals, wheel, bearings and hopefully that narrow spacer you mention. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 04:43 pm: |
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Motorbike,
I got the wheel today and it did come with that narrow spacer on the brake side that fits inside that dust seal's inside diameter. Beautiful wheel. All the bearings, spacer, dust seals and axle were also present. Looking forward to getting a tire mounted on that new wheel so I can use it. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 04:24 pm: |
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I transferred the Pilot Road 2 from the old rear wheel to the new 2010 wheel and it is now on my 2006 ULY. How many of those 2010 wheels are still available?? |
Froggy
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 04:34 pm: |
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quote:How many of those 2010 wheels are still available??
As many as you want, it is not obsolete. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 04:35 pm: |
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Oh yes, and I reused all the rotor screws, pulley screws and washers. No way I was going to spend an outrageous sum for new screws when there was nothing wrong with the originals. They came out of the old wheel without problem with an impact driver and hammer. Those screw were in fine shape. And for those of you that think that is crazy to reuse those screws gotta realize that I've done this in the past on other bikes and never have had any problem. |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2011 - 10:52 pm: |
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Electraglider_1997, I only wrecked 2 of the screws on the rotor side but replaced all of the screws mostly because the service manual recommends it. I really doubt you will have any problems re-using your old ones. And yes, they are expensive! Thanks. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 12:10 pm: |
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I believe the reason they want you to use new screws is because of the loctite on the new screws. If you can get the old ones out without damage then clean the old loctite off with a wire wheel and use some fresh loctite, (blue), then they will be fine. You can't really over stretch these screws since you're putting them in aluminum. You would strip out the aluminum before doing any damage to a steel screw. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 01:01 pm: |
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I used the gel type blue loctite. If I would have gotten new screws then I would have gone to a local fastener business and bought them for probably about a buck per screw. Of course they probably would not of been torque screws but socket head cap screws. I must admit that I didn't clean the old loctite off as you have suggested. Will keep an eye on them. |
Motoroilmccall
| | Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2011 - 06:35 pm: |
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Well its been over a week since I ordered the wheel. Its packed according to the dealership, but they still haven't shipped it... Getting old waiting for Harley to ship a part that they have in their warehouse until they feel like getting around to it. |
Trevd
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 04:21 pm: |
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Oh yes, and I reused all the rotor screws, pulley screws and washers. No way I was going to spend an outrageous sum for new screws when there was nothing wrong with the originals.
The frugal Electraglider is back!!
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Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 04:57 pm: |
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Trevd,
$21 for the 6 pulley screws
$6 for the 6 pulley washers
$12 for the 6 rotor screws
Total $38 are you kidding me!
And why on earth would you ever have to replace the washers unless you changed your wheel over a sewer drain. Who in their right mind would pay $3.50 per pulley bolt??
http://www.mcmaster.com/#torx-socket-head-cap-scre ws/=e4u2a8 |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 05:04 pm: |
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Who in their right mind would pay $3.50 per pulley bolt??
I did.
Oh, wait, I just noticed the part about being in their right mind. So I'm good. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 05:10 pm: |
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I'm going to have to check again, but I believe the book only mentions replacing rotor screws, the washers and pulley screws were reusable. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 05:14 pm: |
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Motorbike,
That was a might bit harsh wording so I apologize. I've always just reused these sort of bolts and have always lived to not regret it. In fact, I almost always reuse things, fix things, try to find other uses for things. I hate waste. I've got a fastener business nearby that I go to when I need nuts and bolts and they usually come through for me. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 05:21 pm: |
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Froggy,
I just checked and the Service Manual covers its ass by recommending NEW fasteners for both pulley and rotor. Apparently it's OK to reuse the washers. |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 08:04 pm: |
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Apparently it's OK to reuse the washers.
Oh crap! I guess I wasted 6 bucks for washers.
Electraglider 1997, I really was not offended at all but thanks for the apology just the same. I sometimes laugh at the stupid things I spend money on just because I am so anal about doing things just right. I'll bet most dealer shops would just re-use the bolts and washers. |
Wbrisett
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 10:37 am: |
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When I replaced my '07 wheel, with the '10 wheel, I took the rotor bolts down to our local bolt distributor and was able to pick up replacement bolts and washers with only one minor difference. The replacement bolts have allen (not torx) heads, and they cost a fraction of what HD charges for them. Both the HD and local distributor bolts are designed for automotive use, so that shouldn't be an issue. They just cost a whole lot less.
You may want to check with a company that specializes in bolts and screws to see what price they can give you. |
Gringo
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 03:35 pm: |
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you guys kill me. you pay 400 buks for insurance against something that might fail, and you wont pay 35 dollars for something that will also probably fail? they recommend changing the bolts because of stress cracking and eventual failure. the bolts are the center of all the braking stress transferred from the disk to the wheel, they work hard. remember Andy Granitelli? |
Wbrisett
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 03:51 pm: |
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Gringo, that's why when I went to my local bolt distributor, I told them what they were used for. The hardened steel bolts I got were designed for this stuff, the only difference was they were like 26 cents each vs. $1.xx at HD (and they had allen not torx heads).
As long as you explain the bolts use any bolt/screw distribution house can get you the right bolt.
Wayne |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 04:31 pm: |
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Gringo,
You'd better change yours out pronto. |
Motoroilmccall
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 09:32 am: |
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Fastenal gave me exactly what I was looking for for the bolts btw... Bike is done, $375 for the wheel through H-D. |
Motoroilmccall
| | Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 01:30 pm: |
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Well I was wrong. Got the bill, the wheel kit was only $336 through HD, with bearings and everything. The total bill came to $473 and change with pressing the bearings in and installing the new wheel in the bike. Amazing how much better it handles. Love the Scorpion Trail that I put on it too. |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 09:42 pm: |
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The most likely reasons they want to replace the bolts is because of liability and the fact that they are made of stainless steel, which unlike a steel bolt, does not like repeated stretching. After a few reps they would likely crack or break.
I took mine off to paint the wheel and re-used them. Next time out I will probably replace them. |
Ronmold
| | Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 10:02 pm: |
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Honestly, has anyone had one of these rotor bolts break? Six of these hard grade 8 bolts holding on a rear rotor that even skidding ,if you can even do that with the rear brake, would barely tax the shear strength of 2 of them. Et, I don't believe the stock bolts are stainless. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 05:31 pm: |
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As mentioned before, to stretch these bolts in soft aluminum seems a stretch. Had the bolts been a buck a piece I'd of put new ones on.....nah, probably not. |
Teeps
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 07:41 pm: |
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Reused all rotor and sprocket bolts/washers on my 2010 swap.
Achieving proper tension on the fastener, is all that matters. |
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