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Missin44
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reading about the 1190RS it seems that this was the bike EB wanted to built, but the Mother Ship didn't want to go head to head with Japan. That's too bad, at 40K+ I'll never ride the 1190RS. Considering that only 100 copies are being build the price doesn't seem too bad. Wonder what the price would have been have a few thousand been built? I'm guessing a Ducati 1198 or MV F4 range. Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Wonder what the price would have been have a few thousand been built?




You will know in about 12 months from now : )
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Yamafreak
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Greenlanternjeep
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want to know if there is a ebr uly plan in the works and can we please get some pics or concept drawings or even just some of the proposed ideas i'll take anything just a little hope
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good things come to those who wait : )
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Idaho_buelly
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Johnboy777
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""Considering that only 100 copies are being build the price doesn't seem too bad.""

At $40,000 each, that's $4 million through the coffers at Erik Buell Racing, which would certainly help things there.

I certainly wish them well. But I find it hard to imagine them selling 100 copies.

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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Either they haven't sold 100 yet or 100 is the minimum. The Erik Buell Racing website is apparently still taking orders.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They haven't built 100 yet ; )
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Johnboy777
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""Either they haven't sold 100 yet or 100 is the minimum""

Good point - it may well be that they need 100 'pre-orders' to justify the start of production.

Being a part of HD certainly turned out to be a double-edged sword for Erik.

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Froggy
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Good point - it may well be that they need 100 'pre-orders' to justify the start of production.




If that was the case, there wouldn't be around 30 of them already running around on the street and racing on the track : )

http://www.whitesharley.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?s id=04667322X7K29K2011J9I07I14JAMQ1418R0&veh=221865 9&nv=y
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7873jake
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, as the guys from Whites Harley uncrate this weapons grade hardware, what does the warning say?



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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The much maligned Harley sells thousands of CVO bikes like the CVO Ultraglide for close to $40,000. I wish Erik the very best with his new company and I'm very interested in how fast the other models will be forthcoming. I sure hope he doesn't feel that he has to over complicate the AX with multiple fuel maps like the Multistrada. I govern power and speed with my throttle hand and can't see the use in being able to switch from low power to high power variations. That just seems like a gimmick to me. Something else that craps out in the middle of nowhere. I am more in favor of a bike that is easily maintained by the owner and built with exactly that in mind. A belt drive is preferred and one that is more easily changed when that is necessary. Everything on the AX should be engineered with "on the side of the road maintenance" in mind. No electrical components or connections should be prone to corrode and fail. No wires able to rub the insulation off because not enough room was allowed. No worry about ground failures or broken ground wires from movement or vibration. None of the things that all we ULY owners have had to jury rig and change to make the bike work better than when purchased. I don't expect much, do I.


http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages /2012-Motorcycles/compare-bikes.html
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

what does the warning say?




WARNING!
DO NOT USE A (something) FROM THE END OF (something)
DAMAGE TO THE MOTORCYCLE WILL OCCUR.

It is instructions on how not to open the crate and cause damage.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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I sure hope he doesn't feel that he has to over complicate the AX with multiple fuel maps like the Multistrada




They aren't overcomplicated. Multiple fuel maps allows for better control in multiple situations. The Multi isn't even the first bike to have multiple fuel maps, many late model Japanese sportbikes have different maps depending on what gear you are in.


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I govern power and speed with my throttle hand and can't see the use in being able to switch from low power to high power variations.




I couldn't see a use for the high beam either, then I tried it and love it. You will have to try this and see the benefits. I tried it first hand, and thought it was fantastic using the city mode when lurching around in traffic, then sport mode when playing in the twisties. I didn't get a chance to try it, but the off road mode is supposed to help make the bike more manageable in the dirt. Touring mode to optimize fuel economy and cruising power.


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Something else that craps out in the middle of nowhere.




It can't. You want something to crap out in the middle of nowhere, get a piece of junk with a carburetor.


quote:

Everything on the AX should be engineered with "on the side of the road maintenance" in mind.




I think everyone would be better off with shit not designed to break in the first place, but since you like working on things on the side of the road I recommend you get one of those older Hondas with the 6 carburetors.


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No worry about ground failures or broken ground wires from movement or vibration.




The 1125 doesn't vibrate so it doesn't suffer from that flaw like the XB bikes.
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Davegess
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But I find it hard to imagine them selling 100 copies.

There are several companies selling 100 plus bikes a year in that price range. Not real hard to do BUT not a real good long range plan; it is hard to generate enough revenue. Production in this quantity is very expensive.
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Sprintex
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

True, but it keeps the name out there, and the great reviews help what comes next.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the million dollar question for the AX....

It will be competing with the Multistrada and BMW GS, and aren't both of those like $16k to $20k bikes? It wouldn't be unreasonable, but it would price me out.

Oh well, I'll just keep buying and fixing Uly's and XT's if necessary.
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7873jake
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm hopeful that Erik Buell Racing takes a similar position with the AX as they did with the X/XT line.

GS's and Multi's were in the 'next tier' price point when I was looking at the Uly stock back in '06-08. That I could get a well equipped Uly OTD for around $12k (or less) when the other two were $14-20 (depending on trim level) was the icing on the cake. Having a Buell dealer within 50 miles of me was a plus as well.

I hope they keep that position with the AX and realize that not every potential buyer is looking for a way to rapidly depreciate $20k.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope they come out with something like the S3T

Nice lines... bags to match... smooth power train... I don't need a bunch of swag. duel trip meters, a clock and a real fuel gauge and if I've been good... heated grips

Ride and change the oil every 5000 miles or so... wash it off in the rain
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D_adams
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saw some info somewhere, don't remember exactly where, but the "next generation/model" 1190's will probably be priced at around $20k. I'm assuming they will be fitted with more mass produced parts rather than top shelf stuff like the current one. Now to figure out how to buy one and keep the 1125 I currently have. I need to buy an XB as well, just for development work.
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>But I find it hard to imagine them selling 100 copies.

I remember how amazed I was when I saw 500 units of a $77,000 motorcycle sell out in a matter of hours.

When you are working with a finite budget (imagine you and I are partners and each funding the payroll, rent and vendor bills weekly) you have to have a pretty good plan.

Sure . . .once you spend the $20,000,000 (or in this case finance it) on tooling and vendor deposits. . you are faced with what to build.

There were 2 routes available.

HEADLINE 1: Erik Buell RACING withdraws from racing, citing lack of interest in the products the company was producing. Buell instead focused on an inexpensive line of $10,000 motorcycles but, due to only having 35 employees, could only produce limited numbers.

HEADLINE 2: Erik Buell RACING continues a 30+ year tradition of racing for Erik Buell and produces a bike that can arguably be described as revolutionary.

In it's first 2 outings, the bike has placed in the Top 10 of national AMA events. Research is underway to see if this has EVER been done by a major manufacturer.

The following week Erik Buell was named "Motorcyclist of The Year" for 2011 by MOTORCYCLIST magazine, marking a welcome departure from years of deriding Buell and his products.

Two weeks later the Erik Buell Racing 1190RS was named "2011 Superbike of the Year" by CYCLE WORLD magazine.

Erik Buell Racing has already announced plans for 3, less race focused (but with some "trickle down" technology) products. Release is expected sooner rather than later.

There are also several other significant announcements the firm expects to release over coming months.

. . . . . . .

Easy choice to me.
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Missin44
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find the prospect of Erik Buell Racing selling 100 copies at 40k+ very easy. In a country of 300 million people with a huge motorcycle ridership the prospect of selling 100 copies of a SUPER exclusive bike is a no brainer.
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even though there may not be a significant number sold to Badwebbers . . . what we CAN do it talk the bike up to dealers and other enthusiasts.

I'm going to post the Erik Buell Racing "motorcyclist of the year" and the 1190RS "Superbike of the Year" on the Porsche "Porsche owners who ride bikes" section . . . .

Talk it up . . at this point . . Badweb folks can make, at a VERY critical time, the ultimate success of what Erik is wanting to do.

Doesn't much matter . . never has really . . if you actually BUT the part . . . you are still part of the family.

It was cool when there were 6 of it . . it's cooler now. These are the BEST times in the history of Buell . . you folks made much of than happen and . .even now . . you're writing the next chapters.

Print that stuff out . . . the articles . . and take a couple to the BEST dealers in your area. We are no longer constrained to the "must be an HD dealer".

Make something happen.

Let's find the best of the best.

Know it or not . . each of you has skin in the game.
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Union_man
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll do my part...

Spread the Word!!!!!!
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two Buells will be representing in Sturgis and Black Hills beginning late next week (My Son and I).
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Portero72
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

'The 1125 doesn't vibrate so it doesn't suffer from that flaw like the XB bikes.'

That statement is either inaccurate, or I had the pleasure of riding the ONLY 1125CR ever built that vibrated. Certainly more so, at specific rpm's, than my Uly.

'Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes...'
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You rode the only one then. They do have a buzz over 6000RPM, but no vibrations, and you can't tell if the motor is running at idle as I am the only one at traffic lights that doesn't look like they have parkinson's.

Also, Yoda is the ultimate Sith Lord in disguise.
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WARNING don't put the forks in here.
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H2opatrol
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the only way to "fix" all the "problems" with the most comfortable, exciting, and best engineered bike I have ever had the pleasure to throw a leg over is to buy a plastic italian P.O.S. or cramp up on "gods gift to two wheeled transportation," I guess the "problems" with my Uly don't need "fixed."
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