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Mark_weiss
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do they press out as a pair, or do they have to be pressed out opposite sides, somewhat like wheel bearings?

Look like 6203?
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Scooter808484
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They both go in from the same side. There's a lip on one side of the wheel and a retaining ring on the other. I used a puller to pull them out one at a time, but I suppose with a press and an appropriate socket you could press them both at the same time from the lip side.
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Scooter808484
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget to take out the retaining ring, their real hard to get out if you do!!!

I don't remember the number, but it's on the bearing.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info. I'm getting an annoying, cyclic squealing at low speed. Only under load. Particularly when pulling away from a stop. Persists even after the clutch is fully engaged. Quieter when things are warmed up. Not rear wheel bearings, already replaced those.
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7873jake
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dr Greg had a post earlier in 2010 about "whining, not him, the bike" (I'm paraphrasing here) and reported something similar.

I'm going off of memory here (which isn't great) so it might have been 2009.

Search the archives for Dr Greg and whining and it will come up.
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Rwven
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By my recollection in Dr. Greg's case it was the belt not riding centered and rubbing on the case near the front sprocket. I don't remember if the idler pulley was somehow involved.....
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Scooter808484
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bearings got bad enough to fail and took out my belt. Don't recall any noise though.
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7873jake
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rwven, I believe you are correct.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In Dr. Greg's thread, I think he solved the odd issue by installing five washers under the rear sprocket or something.
It was weeeeird!
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I looked at Doc's posts, our sounds do not match. Mine occurs only under load, disengaging the clutch stops the sound. I don't know if it occurs in all gears, it is easiest to hear at low speed. Pulling away from a stop, accelerating out of a slow turn. The chirps/squeaks clearly coincide with the thumping feel from the engine. Chirp, chirp, chirp, matches with thump, thump, thump. Both speed and timing.

I tried spraying the rear motor isolator with WD40, no change. Next I tried the rear locating link (top of trans), no change with that either.

The sound that this most reminds me of is a loose fan belt. So far though, I have not seen anything rubbing. This weekend, the belt guards come off. Maybe a rub area is not readily visible on the black plastic.

Mark
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Itileman
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Clean your brakes.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is not brake squeal. Already checked.
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Hughesatron
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a very similar if not the same symptom. It happens most often when the it's cold out and the bike is not warmed up. I hope you find a solution because I never was able to locate the source.
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Desert_bird
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just changed my belt, tires, break pads and installed a 2010 rear wheel with new bearing. Am also getting a high squeal/squeegee sound coming from the pulley area.
Put her up on a stand and ran the rear wheel in 4th: No sound.
On the road whenever moving she just squeegees along.

Enough friction components have been changed to cause some new settling in, but can't for the hell of me sort it out. I'm chalking it up to the sealant on still-tighter-than-a-goose's-*&$@-in-winter-belt as it runs across the pulley. Hoping it'll wear in after some warmth and several hundred miles.

Have you changed your belt out?
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is belt #2. It has about 13k miles on it. Still have #1 as a spare. Might put it back on for a bit if I find nothing amiss with the idler.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The guards look fine, no rub spots at all.

Rode past the house several times, athletic son sprinted along side. Said that the noise seemed to be coming from the rear wheel area. Particularly, the belt/pulley area.

Put on my old belt (changed at 25k miles). No squeaking immediately following the change. We'll see if the quiet stays.
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

180 miles and three heat cycles later. No squeak/chirp. Now what to do with the newer belt.

Is the noise a characteristic and I can just put it back on and leave it alone, or is it a symptom of some sort of problem? Realistically, it has been making noise for thousands of miles. Long enough for me to have re-greased the old rear wheel bearings, replaced the rear wheel bearings, re-checked the rear wheel bearings, and twice removed the idler pulley (once to check and second to re-lube). Most of these services were performed at least a thousand miles apart.

Hmmm
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you suppose that it would make noise if you installed it so that it rotated the other direction?
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Mark_weiss
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was wondering about that. There's no directionality to the belt. Might give it a try.

At least this time, if there is noise I will know where it comes from.
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That chirping has been with me since new. Pulled belt to make a stretched spare and no diff with new one. I get a picture of the tires chirping as I accelerate away. Or the belt chirping somehow. It is a rubber squealie kind of sound. Chirp chirp. Cannot see anything...just decided to ride it. And ride it I do! 6K now, have it down in Yuma snowbirding as our tow car.

Chirping away...Euly
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That chirping has been with me since new. Pulled belt to make a stretched spare and no diff with new one. I get a picture of the tires chirping as I accelerate away. Or the belt chirping somehow. It is a rubber squealie kind of sound. Chirp chirp. Cannot see anything...just decided to ride it. And ride it I do! 6K now, have it down in Yuma snowbirding as our tow car.

Chirping away...Euly
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Zac4mac
Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just read a post yesterday that quoted Erik Buell Racing saying the belts ARE directional.
Proper installation has the text readable from the left side of the bike.

This IS interweb info, but bears further investigation.

just sayin'

Zack
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