| Author | Message | ||
     Dad4 |
Newbe here. I test rode an 09 xt the other day. It was around 35 dgrs F. After about 20minutes of riding, when I would give it a quick burst of full throttle it would cough or hesitate, almost to the point of dying but it didn't. The dealer said it was the Buell burp. I am not happy with that explanation. Is there anything that will fix this? The second issue was when I got back to the dealer and shut the bike off, the fan ran for 10 minutes plus in 35dgr weather. I know heat is an issue with these bikes but will that run the battery down or cause any other issues? Anyway sorry for the long post. dad4 | ||
| Froggy |
The fan thing has been beaten to death. It is a good thing that it is running. The battery will be fine, if its draining the battery to the point that you can't start, than you would of ended up on the side of the road when the bike dies from not having enough juice. The fan is cooling the oil that is on the heads to prevent it from cooking and sticking on the head. Also to note, a broken in bike runs the fan less. | ||
| Teeps |
Froggy Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - Also to note, a broken in bike runs the fan less. My experience is contra to the above statement. The only way to make the fan to run less is to install a Right Side Big Air Scoop. http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/9160.html | ||
| Widowmaker2011 |
Was it a Buell thing or a 1200 V twin thing?? Point is- I have no idea given your description how fast you were wacking the throttle open and if it was from a dead idle but a 4 stroke big flywheeled v twin will do exactly what you are talking about. Now, given that the ambient temp was 35 and the computer told the efi to go way lean after 20 minutes because the 02 sensor and engine temp sensor said "hey we are warmed up, lets go!" Injesting that cool air with a quick snap of the wrist can do exactly what you said. It takes learning the nuances of the power stroke of a vtwin and you will be able to snap it open at the right time and life will be good. On an old carbed bike you'd fatten up the pilot jet a bit and the issue would be a bit better... But seeing how the nanny (government) now dictates drive cycle testing on bikes during their EPA certification , the ability for any manufacturer to "jet out" a lean spot is history. All in all you'll come to love the throttle response on the 08-09's get that wrist timing down and she'll be sweeet. | ||
| Ulyscol |
I would have to agree with Widowmaker2011. You have to get that big twin crank spooled up before it wants to go! But this shouldn't cause the bike to cough. I have experienced this on cold days only upon initial warm up. (Message edited by ulyscol on February 16, 2009) | ||
| Dad4 |
I have had a few big twins and one old sportster. Non of them would do this, but I had to rejet a few to fix them. I have several KTM singles that do this on ocassion, but I would expect them too. My problem with it is the fuel injection, what do I do to fix it? I really would like to buy the bike but i'm just not sure of it. Is $11,000 out the door too much? dad4 | ||
| Widowmaker2011 |
As of now there is no "fix" as it is a normal condidion. As the motor loosens up it gets better. You can use ECMspy with a patch I believe to fiddle with it. Currently ECMspy is only meant to work on 07 and earlier.. 11k is "ok"! (Message edited by widowmaker2011 on February 16, 2009) | ||
| Ullygan |
Hi Dad4 just my 2cents but when I first rode my Uly the battery was very low charged and my bike ran like crap. I checked the manual and one could easily assume several things for the cause, so I called the dealer who is 95 miles away. Luckily there is a good tech there who knows the buells and the first thing he asked was did it fire up straight away. I told him it turned over a few times then coughed and fired........Charge the battery up he said. I did but it was shot and could not hold a charge so they sent me a new one and I mailed the other back. Never coughed again. I now have a smart trickle charger to keep it toped off and it runs great. Might be wrong but if it was at the dealer I would bet the battery was half flat! | ||
| Ulykan |
First let me say welcome to BadWeb. Second, I'm a fairly new Uly owner (July) and my bike has only exhibited your described symptoms only once or twice that I can think of. Not being a Buell expert and owning 2 Sportsters prior to my XT that were carb models, I can't imagine why the demo ride would have done that unless it wasn't set up right. Perhaps it had something to do with it being a demo that wasn't set up right. Try it again sometime and see if it continues to act up. When my bike did this it was a really cold day and the bike didn't want to run at all until it got warm. $11K out the door is good since MSRP is $11K. If they include setup and the 1K service that's good. | ||
| Dad4 |
Thanks for the info. Sounds as if the battery is at fault. This bike is a demo that has 1800 miles on it. Never titled. I feel like it should have been better prepared. I'll bet the 1K service was bypassed.. BTW the heated grips get extremely hot. | ||
| Jlnance |
This bike is a demo that has 1800 miles on it. Demo bikes are notorious for having fouled plugs. They get started & shut down often with out being run in between. The cough you describe is normal if the bike is cold. One wouldn't expect that after 20 minutes, even if the outside temp was 35F. But I suspect the plugs may not be in the best shape. | ||
| Jlnance |
Thanks for the info. Sounds as if the battery is at fault. That could be it too. When you start the bike, the starter should spin the motor right up. If it seems to struggle with the first couple of rotations of the motor, you need a new battery (or a good charge.) | ||
| Svh |
I believe there is a way to help with fouled plugs. Might be in the service manual. I just rode today and it was 36F out and mine burped once. It has only done it one other time and that was before I had the reflash installed. Make sure you get documentation that the 1000 was done or have them throw it in if it wasn't. It is a great bike and I am sure you will love it. | ||
| Svh |
By the way Welcome and you have found a great place with some real nice people. As you can tell already a wealth of knowledge and no matter the question the Uly people tend to answer politely and quickly. Some of the 1125 guys are quite rude it seems over on that board. | ||
| Froggy |
Hahah so I am not the only one to notice how the people on the 1125 board are at each others throats?  | ||
| Svh |
I noticed it a few times. Just rude to each other. Was in there checking for issues on the CR cause I am still dreaming about getting one next year. I was glad to have the Uly people or modified SS people like you that help and are good people no matter how many times the same question gets asked. | ||
| Itileman |
Welcome. I have an 09 XT that I got at the end of November. It's never seen warm weather and I've never had any of the problems you described. I keep it on a battery tender. I've also owned 3 HD's, one of which was FI. All were kept on the battery tender, the two carbed ones were rejetted for pipes and no problems with them either. If I'm not mistaken, MSRP on the XT is $12.9. $11k OTD is a decent deal with the services having been done. | ||
| Dad4 |
Thanks for all of the information. I was really on the fence about the xt. Before I was looking at an 06 x for $4999, but I was late to that one. I have heard almost no negative posts about the xt, Other than the normal stuff. The XT sounds like a great bike. I hope it will be fine touring around on it. I had a softail back in the day, in 3 yrs I had over 100,000 trouble free miles on it. I was much younger back then though. (Message edited by dad4 on February 17, 2009) | ||
| Portero72 |
There IS a manual tps reset procedure for the 08/09 bikes. Wouldn't hurt to try that. Also, the fan on my 09 X ran forever at first(7 mins easy). Then it was reflashed to the newer map and runs 2 or 3 mins max after shutdown. Good luck. | ||
| Verdad |
A few more pennies worth... I've had my 08 XT since October. Just now getting to where I have the time for extended rides. Took it on a nine hour round trip down to Los Angles a couple weeks ago, and had an absolute blast. Admittedly, this is my first foray into the Buell/HD world (Kawasaki and Yamaha's in the past...), but I am freaking infatuated with my ride. Have already added the R/S scoop, the Aprilia mirrors, and some other aftermarket items. I am unequivocally happy that I am now a Bueller. And the fan business? Yep, concur that is an overplayed subject that really isn't that big a deal. Same for the heat "issue." Personally, it bothers me not. And between the scoops one can install, pipe wrap kits, and the other shields available, out there, it also is a non-issue. Russ | ||
| Dad4 |
Russ, can you post pics of your mirror upgrade. That is one thing i hate about the XT. dad4 | ||
| Tginnh |
Teeps - Thanks for the link. $230 for a piece of fiberglass seems a bit pricey to me. Anyway, is there a plastic right side scoop to be found - something less expensive? Thanks. | ||
| Mnrider |
I too am interested in a rt. side scoop made from the same plastic as the left side scoop so it matches. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
RSS is not necessary. Once the bike breaks in it will run much cooler. I'm on the original fan on my 06' with about 17,000 miles and at 35 degrees out my bike would be lucky to even kick off the fan at shutdown after 30 minutes of riding. Some folks have plunked down for the RSS but have you all noticed that Buell has yet to engineer the RSS onto their bikes. They aren't perfect but they've done their homework in regards to whether the RSS is necessary and it isn't. | ||
| Tginnh |
Right after I posted my query I wondered why the RSS wasn't stock on my '06 or if it came stock on the latest models. Apparently it does not. Hum. My only other question to those who have the RSS - does it assuage or exacerbate cooking of the right leg? | ||
| Arcticktm |
dad4, Look up an Aprilia Tuono. Those are the mirrors most have switched to for a more stylish appearance. They bolt right on, and are reasonably priced. I think I paid about $23 each from American Sport Bike. | ||
| Mnrider |
I guess I'm not concerned about the heat on my leg but I was riding my new 06 with only about 200 miles on in last fall going with the wind and the fan ran almost all the way probably cause it was new. I test rode an Aprilia Capinord last summer and it gave off way more heat than any Uly I had ridden. | ||
| Dad4 |
Arcticktm, thanks for the info. they do look better | ||
| Teeps |
Tginnh Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 Teeps - Thanks for the link. $230 for a piece of fiberglass seems a bit pricey to me. Anyway, is there a plastic right side scoop to be found - something less expensive? Fiberglass or Carbon Fiber, expensive and more expensive... | ||
| Tomb |
I have the Tuono mirrors on my xb9, you can see them if I ride in on the day you come to get your Uly from me. Tom Gateway HD/Buell (Message edited by tomb on February 19, 2009) |
