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Quintssp
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My bike sometimes stalls out, or almost does unless i give it a little throttle. The check eng. light comes on but goes away. This happened to me on the highway today, i was about to accelerate to pass when it bogged down hard until i eased on the throttle.
08, >3000miles
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Glen
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my 08 likes to pop from the airbox if i mash it from an idle but its never stalled. maybe you got some sooty plugs?
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Blk_uly
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

check the ground points behind the fuse box. you must remove them, scrape the paint off underneath and re-install them.. after doing this mine became a different bike. all those "strange little hiccups, burbs, and farts" vanished!
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine stumbled like that when new.
The dealer reprogrammed the ECU and made it better.
Yours is under warranty. You should bring it in an tell them to plug it in to their computer.

This is why people buy new things.
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Blk_uly
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

#1 on going to the dealer for warrantee the dealer should do this fix so it is documented for future diagnostics.
p.s. I remember now shutting down on the freeway for a momeent or two for no apparent reason, then the check engine light, this is how all my troubles began. See the thread titled ECM taking a dump?

(Message edited by blk_uly on November 23, 2008)
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Werewulf
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

welcome to the 08 club!!
a reflash helps some bikes and others not!
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Quintssp
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for all the suggestions, it'll help when i take it to the dealer so i can point them in a possible direction. They dont always have someone there who speaks english so its a little more challenging, but they have alway given me great service.
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Bigkuri
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Plugs?
Or TPS reset.
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I second TPS reset,'08 you can do yourself.
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Quintssp
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whats the name of the post that describes how to do the tps reset? And what are the best plugs?

(Message edited by quintssp on November 25, 2008)
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Correct me if Im wrong.
My service manual is lent out,so Im going off memory,
IGN on.
Kill on.
Open throttle fully,hold 1 sec.
Manually roll throttle off,Hold 1 sec.
REPEAT for 3 full cycles.
Turn ign off for at least 10 sec.

Hope this helps
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Bigkuri
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep - dead right. Let us know if it works?...
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Opinion on plugs is Double Platinum
part#32334-05
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Bigkuri
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Unless I missed something, the Uly 2008 cannot use the double platinum plugs as it takes a different plug to pre-08.

Most of the "Uly" plugs you can buy are not suitable for the 2008 Uly
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

6500 miles no melt down yet.
Ill look into it.
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spark Plug 10R12X
27794-08 $4.95
You are correct,the '08 takes a different plug STOCK
As I understand it the difference is the"A" in 10R12A is conventional electrode,the "X" in 10R12X is Fine Electrode.
The "APP" in 10R12APP is conventional electrode,Double Platinum
Hope this Helps
http://www.championsparkplugs.com/sparkplug411_man ufacturer.asp?manufacturerID=2
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Quintssp
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for all the great info!
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK let's please try and remember 08 and beyond have DDFI-3 with No TPS Reset. Also there are several different minor idle and off idle issues depending if the bike has an early or later ECM. A word of Caution here though, if you have a early bike and one of the above mentioned running issues and have it re-flashed you or no one else can re-tune it using ECM Spy so be aware. We have re-tuned a few so far and were able to correct any of these issues we found. Also on the 10R12X plugs, while the insulator looks a little different they in fact are the same heat range as the 10R12A. According to the information from H_D/Buell the new plug helps to prevent fouling caused when the bike has been started several times without ever coming up to operating temperature. (Very common problem in the sales department.) Hope this helps. ... Terry JT&S Performance}
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Werewulf
Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thats good info... what plug should we be running?
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Wheelybueller
Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is a TPS reset on the '08 bikes.
Unlike the pre '08 models once set it shouldn't change unless you change an actual component.
So once set properly it should not need to be reset.
The AFV should still be checked and zero'd occasionally.
As written on page 4-8 of the 2008 Buell XB service manual
Part# 99490-08YA
"The throttle position sensor zero procedure should be performed IF the TPS,ECM are replaced or the ECM has been recalibrated"
The procedure is noted as well.
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I technically stand corrected, but was getting at the old school idea that if there is anything not right just reset the TPS and AFV. and while that sometimes helped the older models it does little to correct most of what is going on inside the ECM on a 80/09 bike with DDFI-3. If a bike still under warranty gets in and out of a dealership and still has the problem. it's a pretty safe bet the TPS has been re-calibrated. Another word of caution one should read the AFV and if outside of the acceptable limits try and find the cause. A well maintained bike can have a AFV that has corrected it's self to what it desires and can be running fine. If reset it will again start trying to correct it's self and may run rough until it does. ... Hope this helps. ... Terry JT&S Performance
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Quintssp
Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This post say's it all.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/360901.html
My bike is at the dealer and part of their computer diagnostic is broken and back-ordered, at least 2 more weeks. I dont think they even plan on trouble shooting till they recieve it. Also now i have to share the car with my wife.
Please assist.

(Message edited by quintssp on December 04, 2008)
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Quintssp
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok,I've got the bike back. It was the ground connection next to the battery. They replaced a relay as well. Its a little hard for me to understand what exactly they did due to a language barrier.
But it fires right up, better than before with no hesitation. Thanks for all the help full replies and it would appear that some of you hit the nail on the head. Buell should probably address this.
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blk_uly, You didn't take any pics did you?
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Blk_uly
Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no sorry. I was so anxious to ride I forgot. any way I think It was not the batt. ground but the other one further aft behind the fuse box.


new update duhh it was the battery ground
(Message edited by blk_uly on December 10, 2008)

(Message edited by blk_uly on December 13, 2008)
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