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Mikef5000
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 01:08 pm: | 
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0-60 just under 10 seconds
EEP! That's likely to get ya killed on the street!
Dave beat me to it... The bike you guys are describing seems awfully different than the current Uly. The current Uly is just as capable on fire roads as it is on a race track! The beast you guys are describing doesn't sound so versatile.
I'd love to see Buell make a true Off Road capable adventure tourer, but I sure as heck hope it doesn't replace the current Uly. |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 05:32 pm: |
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I agree...the current Ulysses is not, and has never been advertised as being an off road bike. It's not designed for that, that's not its purpose, and I'm VERY glad for that.
See...I'm a big tall fella. I have a Gixxer 600 for track duty now, and it's a horrible thing to ride for longer than 20 or 30 minutes. It's fast, and it handles well, but it's just a torture rack. Even the "naked" bikes like the Tuono, Monster, Z1000, SV1000, etc....as still too cramped for me.
I want a big, comfortable bike that performs like a sportbike, is relatively light weight, and is very "basic". No bells and whistles. Just a raw bike. Two wheels, a top notch suspension, and a powerful engine. I don't care if it holds 10 gallons of fuel, if it has a gas gauge, if it has bags, if it gets 60mpg....I just want a big, comfy, high performance bike. Buell has all the parts....they just need to build it.
Basically, I want EXACTLY what the Ulysses is, but I just can't fall in love with the motor. I have no big complaints with it other than being nearly impossible to ride below 20mph, the severe shaking at idle, and the complete lack of engine braking.
If they put the 1125 engine in the Ulysses, I'd have mine for sale as soon as I knew I could get my hands on the new Rotax powered model.
That's just my personal opinion. If you want a dual sport bike, there are plenty to choose from with big wheels and knobby tires. For us big folks, who want a sport bike, we have nothing to choose from except a Tiger and Multistrada. The Multistrada is WAY overpriced for what it is. The Tiger is OK, but it's not as sporty as the Uly or the MS.
Stuff a Rotax motor in the Uly chassis and get the hell out of my way with your Gixxers, CBRs, Ninjas, and such....I'm coming through!  |
Bertotti
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 09:05 pm: |
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Xbimmer I have been wanting one of them for awhile. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 09:38 pm: |
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>>I agree...the current Ulysses is not, and has never been advertised as being an off road bike. It's not designed for that, that's not its purpose, and I'm VERY glad for that. <<
I've got about 300 photos that prove it's an All roads bike though.
(Message edited by danger_dave on October 25, 2007) |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 09:51 pm: |
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All roads....yes. But not an "off road" or dual sport bike. |
Bertotti
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:00 pm: |
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I don't know about the others but I bought the Uly knowing full well its limitations. After riding it for so long I find myself wanting a more capable dirt worthy Uly sibling. I do not want to change the current Uly but I would like the option to make it more dirt worthy with better tires for off road. When the sibling shows up I may or may not be all over it. Like the Jarhead klr I would like a diesel as well. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:22 pm: |
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In which Bertotti joins the knobby chorus.
edits are for typoos
(Message edited by danger_dave on October 25, 2007) |
Windrider
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 01:04 am: |
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Interesting Thread.
Here are my proposals to Buell: build 3 Ulys:
1. The current 08 Air Cooled Uly. It is a great, versatile bike and all of the R&D is paid for. Just keep making them as long as they keep selling. There is a still a market for this bike.
2. A new liquid cooled Rotax powered Uly. Lighter, faster, more fuel capacity, with more power than the existing Ulysses but not as much as the 1125r. Keep the 17" wheels and great twisty road performance and great touring capabilities. This bike would be another "all road" bike without serious dirt tires or wheels. The ZTL brake system is tied to a 17" wheel.
3. A single cylinder 600 cc Uly lite with a Rotax single cylinder engine that is really light weight with more focus on dirt performance. 21" front wheel and some DS tires but still with a good two passenger seat and some possibility for two up travel. This bike could be light enough and inexpensive enough to satisfy the dirt riders out there and would compete with the likes of the 650s from BMW but with a lower price. Drop the blast and make this new bike the low price Buell.
If only I had a job in Buell marketing...... LOL. |
Dhalen32
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 08:24 am: |
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Craig:
I guess I thought you were going to be more creative than 1125X. Some spin off of Ulysses .... Get out your greek literature and mythology books!
I'm also looking forward to where the 1125 Helicon engine will be used in other models. I'm not sure which bike will have to go to make room for the new one though. Which will you get rid of?
Kevin and Lyn still must attend a Rider's Edge IT session before they can start working for us. That should happen next Spring. I'm glad you are happy with the new occupation. I'll see you next Saturday at the update.
Dave |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:54 am: |
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Windrider,
Your idea of a 600 ULY is on the mark. Counterbalanced so it is as smooth as possible and a low first gear. Buell is getting kinda infamous for that lousy too-tall first gear.
The Buell Blast is way overdue for mothballing. It is a cut rate bike that has way too tall a first gear for MSF use. People being introduced to motorcycles in MSF courses should not have to jerk into the over tall 1st gear the Blast utilizes. The vibration is nothing that a learner should have to deal with either. I always feel the need to apologize for that motorcycle in my classes. I've found that newbies learn best and fastest on mid-control smooth Honda 250 NightHawks. They always have trouble with the Blast, engine conking out when starting out in first gear. It's got the power but the gear sucks. Are you listening to me Buell!!!! While I'm ranting here, a local Harley dealer carried Buell Blasts (under duress) a few years back apparently so they could get a higher allotment of Harleys. They had trouble giving those Blasts away. Some people might like them but I am not a fan.
(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on October 26, 2007) |
Bertotti
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 06:22 pm: |
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Are you all thinking twin cylinder 650 or Single cylinder thumper style. I like both for different reasons. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 06:53 pm: |
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>>Get out your greek literature and mythology books! <<
Good call! - I can give you the story off the top of my head - specific names will need a lookit.
Back shortly. |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 08:34 pm: |
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As a point of clarification, I hear a lot of requests for the Helicon in a Uly. When I think of a Uly, I think of an Adventure bike, something akin to the GS bikes from BMW. A bike that you're going to take out on the dirt roads away from civilization and drop. Thats exactly where I would want an air cooled motor, or more specifically where I wouldn't want to have to deal with a radiator. I'll note that BMW put an air cooled motor in the GS as well, and they certainly have a water cooled motor they could have used.
A lot of us don't ride Ulys like adventure bikes. I've got 30,000 miles on mine, and probably less than 20 have been on unpaved roads. I like the bike because it's comfortable and handles well.
The idea of a Helicon in some sort of sport touring platform, particularly one designed for someone over 6' is an appealing idea. But when someone says "put it in a Uly" all I can envision is my radiator pod getting snagged by a passing tree. |
Buellerandy
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:53 pm: |
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For me, throw the current Uly motor in the 1125r frame, the Helicon's looking at 32-38 mpg. More fuel with higher mpg |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 03:17 pm: |
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The only reason to hang a radiator pod on a tree with a Uly is if you happen to have blow a decreasing radius hairpin and end up in the woods. Otherwise, the bike has no business anywhere near a tree. |
Lorazepam
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 04:34 pm: |
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The too tall first gear, the 17 inch front wheel, the too fat rear tire, plus the weight of the bike keeps my Uly out of the woods.
I would like to see a decent resale value |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 05:02 pm: |
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And some of us aren't scared of going off road on it either.
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Lorazepam
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:19 pm: |
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I have a big off road bike.
A 250 to 600 is better suited for the type of off roading that exists where I live. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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My publisher rides similar.
Skillful on it too. Balance point wheelies along dirt tracks. 'The Uberfarter' we calls it.
I've maintained all along - a bash plate and knobby tyres and I'd do a hard core adv on a Uly - easy.
Probably only do the challenge sections on a borrowed one though. |
Lorazepam
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 07:14 pm: |
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I get tired of picking up 400+ pounds of bike in the challenge sections. 
I aint as young as I once was.
I also tore my ACL this summer, and a lighter bike is in the cards for me for adventure/dual sport rides. |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 11:59 am: |
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Here's what a Uly is all about. A big, comfortable sporty bike:
Why would you want to mess up a perfectly good bike by putting a 19" tire on it which would only serve the very small percentage of people who feel that it's an "off road" bike. That would be like putting mudders, lockers, and an intake snorkel on a Cadillac Escalade just because it's 4 wheel drive.
Don't use the wrong tool for the job. Just because it works, doesn't make it right:
Of course, taking a Uly to the track isn't exacty the "right tool for the job" either. LOL!
(Message edited by chadhargis on October 30, 2007) |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 02:45 pm: |
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'Here's what a Uly is PARTLY about.' |
Atoms
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 04:54 pm: |
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"For me, throw the current Uly motor in the 1125r frame, the Helicon's looking at 32-38 mpg. More fuel with higher mpg."
yes yes yes! more fuel and still built in USA air cooled!
I'll take mine in blue. |
Jmhinkle
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:01 am: |
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I would like a Uly that isn't loaded with problems...Can I get that option for 2009? I get one thing fixed and something else pops up. At least it's reliably hot and broken. |
Bertotti
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 06:08 am: |
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Buell doesn't have the right tool for the job. I would have bought it if they did. The uly is as close as we can get. I don't want you street oriented guys to do without your uly but don't begrudge us our desires for a more dirt worthy version. The uly is here we can get our grubby mitts on it and see the potential and can't help but want to make a version more tilted to our riding preferences. |
Mikef5000
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 11:34 am: |
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I don't want you street oriented guys to do without your uly but don't begrudge us our desires for a more dirt worthy version. The uly is here we can get our grubby mitts on it and see the potential and can't help but want to make a version more tilted to our riding preferences.
All us street oriented guys are trying to say, is don't make this Dual Sport machine the 09 version of the Uly! Make in a new (another) Buell all together! |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 11:41 am: |
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The 1125X will not be the 09' ULY. The 09' ULY is going to be a further upgraded and tweaked version of the 08' ULY. The 09' 1125X will be something totally out there and we shall have to wait. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:03 pm: |
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I am still bummed that they killed the 450 rotax dirter. They could have made that a KLR killer and left the competition market alone. That bike has been around for 20 years, and dont know of ONE of them that was ever arena raced. They do seem to sell 7000 of them every year, for the last 5 years. There is a market for them. I want a lighter, leaner, meaner DS.  Still too short for the ULY. |
Bertotti
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 08:53 pm: |
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Yep Mikef5000, I agree a com[pletely new ds oriented bike would work for me. I just use the Uly as a base to start with because it's already in production. I still love my Uly just as it is also! |
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