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Dragon_slayer
Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I know what Erik has said about Sport Touring bikes, but in my opinion, maybe this subject should be revisited!
What has changed? Well the design of the CityX and the Uly! These two bikes are comfortable and fun. Hidden in there is a Sport Touring bike wanting to come forward.
New bike:
1)the riding position of the X and Uly.
2)the larger frame/gas tank of the Uly.
3)a choice of comfortable seats for short and tall riders.
4)hard bags.
5)street height suspension.
6)choice of engines; 900 for single rider sport riding style, and 1200 for two up touring style.

Now finish this wish list with your own ideals that I missed. Then sign on as being a future buyer and cross your fingers.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fairing lowers
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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about a large removable windshield for those really cold winter days?
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 05:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I WANT A SPORT-TOURER!!!


my wife wants one, too!
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Cadhopper
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought the new sport touring seat for my XB12SS and it has been worth every dime. I can comfortably ride 400 miles a day as long as I keep my speed at a manageable level because of the wind. Now if I can get slightly lower foot pegs, a good windscreen and hard bags I'd be in heaven. Kinda like I am on my BMW F650 but with a lot more power and a better charging system. I would love to have a XB12X but nature did not bless me with the required inseam to feel comfortable off road on a bike that tall.

I did ask Eric Buell to please think about making hard bag mounts for the XB12SS at the Liberty Open house but I'm just one person so who knows if he will even think about it.
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Buell will come out with a faired version of the SS this year, which will have hard bag mounts. I of course don't know this, but I've seen several people ask anonymouses on this board, and their response makes me think they are doing it.

Perhaps it will be the XB12RS, with the firebolt fairing, SS seat height, and Uly bags. But I think you will get your wish, whatever they call the bike.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There has been a lot of talk about a parts bin cross-breed with elements of the SS, X, and R.

I think Buell could be missing out on an opportunity if they pass on the idea.

This would be a very low dollar way to add a bike to the line-up that many Buell enthusiasts have been asking for.

SS frame, suspension and motor, Uly tail section, (hard bag mounts optional) and Uly peg mounts,
than add the firebolt fairing, or better yet an RR fairing (in a less expensive fiberglass material)
with a sport touring styled lower.

Change parts like the under-seat storage where needed for clearance, and you have a winner. The only
new parts needed would be a fiberglass RR style upper and lower (if used) and undertail compartment.

The hard stuff has all been done as far as engineering and reliability testing.
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Mainstreamer
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wouldn't it be nice if BUELL simply made a touring fairing available as an accessory that would fit a Uly! Please Mr. Buell!!!
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wouldn't it be nice if BUELL simply made a touring fairing available

It would be, but it wouldn't address the issue of the Uly being too tall for many riders.
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Henrik
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Should Buell venture back into the sport touring arena - some will say they did with the Uly ;) - I think it's important that they get the Part & Accessories dept. solidly on-board.

While aftermarket has been remarkably willing to fill the void for the Uly, I still think Buell ought to make - and have ready - a full range of Sport Touring accessories should Sport Touring again appear in the range.

Henrik
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Josh_
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, Yamaha has a pretty decent sportTourer with practically no P&A support (at least not in the US).

Aftermarket sure goes along way with practically no cost to the manufacturer.

But doing the large things right (ergonomics, protection from the elements, changable handling from pure-sport to full-2-up-touring, removable roomy luggage) would go a long way towards acceptance.

'course in my opinon the my FJR and my old S3 each got only two of those four right (S3-ergos, handing; FJR protection, luggage)

I want a bike that can compete with an FLH and an R1. Is that too much to ask?
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Jim_sb
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello Henrik,

1. Agreed re accessories.

2. Agreed, my Ulysses IS my sport-tourer. Ask my buddies with FJR1300's, RT1150's, ST1300's, etc. how the Uly does and they'll tell you below the ton it's right there with them (or even ahead depending on how technical or bumpy the road is). Above the ton they've got too much motor for Mr. Ulysses to keep up. As luck would have it I prefer to remain under the ton anyway for legal reasons. ; )

3. Seems like a few years ago we started a thread on this board which was our "wish list" for a new Buell Sport-tourer. I haven't gone back to check but IMHO the Ulysses does a fine job of meeting the wish list. Off the top of my head the shortcomings would be in the fairing which is minimalist and the fuel capacity (I think we lust for 5 gallons). Having said that I got 50mpg on my last tank, 192 miles and less than 4 gallons to refuel. Not bad, eh? I think is someone was to ride frugally 210 miles per tank is doable. Not bad...

4. As a BONUS my Ulysses likes gravel roads and I get to explore more often. NICE.

Best,

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Brad1445
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 That the Uly is a great Sport Tourer Bike, just kill the fan noise : )
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Paochow
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It would be, but it wouldn't address the issue of the Uly being too tall for many riders.

Its not too tall- y'all are too short
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Jim_sb
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not tall enough to ride a Uly. It's a 2 tip-toe bike for me.

As luck would have it I don't stop much.

; )

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Thespive
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If only they would make a stree Uly for Cafe Bill...

--Sean
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Henrik
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I realize this is going to sound like a petty gripe, but I was sorely disappointed when the previously announced heated grips for the Uly never materialized.

I don't own a Uly and the low $$ heated grips I have on the S2 work well and last a couple of seasons before the right side wiring gives out.

So why the disappointment ( ... and the audience sighs "finally" : )) Well, because it seemed like a lack of commitment from the factory, that's why ...

Well, I warned you it was going to sound petty ;) But why not grasp the opportunity to provide your costumers the Full Monty in the Sport Touring experience.

But back to the wish list - more gas would be nice especially for those trips to the outskirts.

Some sort of wind protection option would be cool too. Snap on for long trips and snap off for a day-long romp in the twisties.

Height and angle/droop adjustable bars along with height and front/rear position pegs would be a very nice thing to add to a bike meant for the combination of riding I like to do with a sport tourer.

Could be interesting to see what the Uly would do with a 21" front wheel and knobby - or at least intermediate tires - just for the fun of it.

I agree that making the Uly ST parts available for at least some of the rest of the XBs would be a very interesting idea.

Henrik
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Jim_sb
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Henrik,

Yep, heated grips was on our list too.

I would've bought 'em if Buell had offered them.

But I do have a Gerbing heated jacket liner and heated gloves. Plus the grips do have the brush guards which deflect the wind somewhat.

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Soloyosh
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both the Uly and any Sport Tourer need a centerstand.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 05:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both the Uly and any Sport Tourer need a centerstand.

Why?
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Opto
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 06:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with the Uly being a bit tall, but it's got more sport and more tour than any other bike I've ridden, or would want to ride. OK it's slower than others over the ton, that's not a problem for me, and it's also a lot quicker/more rideable in other areas. I also have no problem at 80mph with the existing windshield, unless there's a headwind, but if there's a tailwind then it's 80 + tailwind. I guess an SS with hard bags would make a lot of people happy, I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on it right now. A lot of things got asked for in the 2 years or so of XB12's, and a lot of those got delivered - bigger tank, lighter clutch, better tranny, better seats, hard baggage....
Buell have made a lot of changes in a short time directly responding to owners wishes as far as I can see, compared to other manufacturers who have been building bikes for 40 years, and sport-tourers for say 20 years
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Brucelee
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would buy that Ss model set up for touring. I would buy that tomorrow.

The Uly is too tall for me and I hate the look.

Sorry, too tank-like looking for me.

Lets have a slick looking touring bike with the 9 motor and no fan issues like the Uly.
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Roadrailer
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both the Uly and any Sport Tourer need a centerstand.

So you can lube the chain???
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Thunderbox
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jlnance said "Wouldn't it be nice if BUELL simply made a touring fairing available

It would be, but it wouldn't address the issue of the Uly being too tall for many riders."

Nor would it address the issue of all the other Buells being to short for most riders. The Uly stopped many previous Buell owners from going elsware for a bike that fits. It was made for those who can't fit comfortably on any other XB. Now the short people want the shortness brought back in the Uly. I say no way pal, maybe a Low model would be appropriate but if it's at the expense of the present Uly I say no.
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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For those of us who like to be prepared for everything, even if we don't venture entirely off the map, a center stand would be a nice option - but keep it an option since center stands on some bikes take away some ground clearance and lean angle.

Henrik
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Give me a centerstand so I can check into the Iron Butt Motel... More fuel...hydraulic clutch...bags that are keyed alike......
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Better yet!!! Make the bags so I don't have to use the key EVERY time I need to get into them.....Bikes warming up...forgot to put my map back in the bags...shut bike off, put map away, start bike again....do you see my gloves...CRAP..shut down again...get gloves
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Buell should come up with something different than your normal center stand. Maybe a rear fender that would rotate down and support the rear wheel up an inch off the deck, like some old antique bikes used to have.
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Chasespeed
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with what was mentioned earlier, in combining the R, SS and the Uly...

Personally, I would go with the Sharskins fairing, on an SS, and someting along the lines of the Uly tail with the luggage..BUT, (i know this is petty), even though the Uly luggage is NICE to say the least, I would like somehting a bit more low profile/not as wide, as I have NO NEED for that much luggage space...

And maybe, we could make something like the CrossRoads bar set-up, with the plate, and the actual clip-on being bolt on, BUT, be able to change the plate to suit the riding intent...etc etc etc...

I dont have the money for a new bike, I would be buy an XB just to be able to make and test a few things out...but...

My 2 cents worth..

Chase
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Swampy
Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A low enough Ulysses with out so much suspension, two up riding on the road would be great and one up riding off road woud be OK as you could ride wheelies over all the obstacles and would not need all the ground clearance.
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