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Soloyosh
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:46 pm: | 
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Chad,
I've got this on my cage. Works great and it doesn't stick out any farther than the stock bolt.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fram-Sure-Drain-SD-1-1-2-x20-Replacement-Oil-Drai n-Plug_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQitemZ8059252753QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
I'm not sure if Fram stopped making these or what, but I was looking for one for the Buell and my KTM as well.
Cheers
Brett |
Javadog
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 07:01 am: |
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Soloyosh-
Try looking for it at Advanced Auto Parts, or
else try the J C Whitney , Summit Racing, or
Fram websites. |
Az_m2
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 08:43 am: |
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Same thing happened to me. Couple of points:
FLUSH THE SWINGARM AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. There were A LOT of aluminum shavings that I flushed out of my swingarm.
Because of this, I decided to not chance it and had a new swingarm installed at the dealer (I didn't really want any left over metal floating around in my motor). I'll try to find what it cost me, but I remember it being less than I thought it would be.
I picked up one of he rubber plugs at a Checker Auto Parts store, but never used it.
Good luck . . . Chris |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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I heli coiled the oil pan on my Electraglide but removed the pan to do it. Lots of filings. The 97' Electraglide doesn't filter the oil until right before it makes it into the oil pan. Question: When they tap the swingarm oil plug hole at the manufacturer, how do we know they don't leave filings behind? But, shouldn't any filings end up in the oil filter anyway. The ULY has the oil filtered after leaving the swingarm and before going through the engine. It's soft aluminum filings and not steel filings we are talking about. Any mechanics care to argue this logic. I'm just curious about it, and maybe there's nothing to worry about if my logic isn't false that is. |
Buelet
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 01:40 pm: |
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I agree with Dragon_slayer about messing up your torque readings.
I don't think that you are supposed to use any sealant on the drain plug, but I don't have my manual handy to check for sure. I don't use any. If you want to "get to the bottom" of this though, you might check your torque-wrench for accuracy. If it checks out ok and you followed the installation instructions, take that info. to the dealer and see what they say. You never know... If you used something on the threads that you weren't supposed to, then I'd say live and learn. It's too bad that school is so slow!
Good luck! |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 02:32 pm: |
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Drill the hole with heavy grease on the bit. Clean frequently.
Tap the hole with heavy grease on the tap. Clean frequently.
Spray an entire can of carb cleaner / brake parts cleaner up through the newly tapped and helicoiled hole letting it drain out.
Stick your pinkie up there and fish for stuff.
Pour four quarts of really cheap really thin oil straight in the top of the swingarm and let it pour right back out the bottom. Filter it and reuse 3 times if you wish.
Stuff a shop rag and an air compressor blower in the fill hole, and blow air through for 5 minutes.
How many metal shavings do you really think are going to be left in there? |
Chrisb
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 03:11 pm: |
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Have you contacted the dealer to see if they are willing to warranty? Or Buell themselves?
How much is a swing arm vs buying the drill bit, tap, timecert etc? |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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The job is done, and the problem is solved.
My observations:
1) The swingarm metal is VERY soft. I could not get a tap wrench to turn the bits without removing the muffler, so I tried it by hand. You guessed it, I actually drilled the damn thing out using my fingers to turn the bit! It was slow going, and I removed a little bit at a time, but I finished in less time than you might think. The threads were already gone from the bolt stripping them out, so it was pretty easy work.
2) The Time-Sert is AMAZING!! Excellent thread repair kit! The insert is not a coil like a Helicoil. It's a solid carbon steel insert that is threaded inside and out. I put some red loctite on the insert itself, it won't be going anywhere. Can't do that on a helicoil because the loctite will ooze through the gaps in the coil and gum up the threads.
3) The repair is flawless. Stock oil drain bolt fits without issue, only now it threads into a carbon steel insert. I don't think the insert threads will strip very easily.
So, moral of the story...don't torque your drain plug to the service manual specs. If you do, and you strip it, I've got 4 more Time-Serts that came with the kit. I'd be happy to share the wealth. Not going to cost me anything and I don't think I'll need them again.
Thanks for the advice everyone!! |
Thunderbox
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:03 pm: |
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Great news Chad. I hope it doesn't happen to me but if it does I know where to get the insert. I hope Buell takes note of this as I think they should upgrade the oil drain hole on all the XB models. This isn't the first time I have heard of this. I think I would have went to the dealer and told them the threads came out when I removed the plug but hey if you don't know the dealer too well they would have said f off.
Now can you tell us the symptoms of Ulyitis just in case we have a boo boo also. Knowing the symptoms is half the fight. Now get out there and ride that thang. |
Sleez
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:08 pm: |
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cool! |
Lorazepam
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:21 pm: |
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Glad to hear all went well. I will remember this, and hold you to it.  |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 06:27 pm: |
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The first few times I changed the oil, it only took a turn or so to torque down. When it stripped, I stopped turning after two turns and got that "Oh Sh*t!" feeling.
It swingarm is really soft, way to soft for 30ft/lbs of torque on a bolt. I tightened the bolt by german torque specs when I installed the bolt in the time sert. You know, "gutentite"! 
Just snugged it up. I keep an eye on it and watch for weeping. I used the thread sealer too, as specified by the manual. |
Soloyosh
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 02:28 am: |
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Something I started doing on my KTM because I got tired of checking torques on the case bolts after every ride, get a paint pen and mark the drain bolt and the swingarm. That way a quick visual will tell you if its moved. I do it on all the "critical fasteners" on my Buell.
Rotor bolts
Caliper bolts
oil drains
case bolts
Swing arm pivot
Axles
Steering stem
Handlebar clamp
Gives a little extra piece of mind during the pre-ride inspection.
Glad you got it fixed...
Cheers
Brett |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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That's a good idea. |
44mag
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 02:11 pm: |
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I am a pilot and have rebuilt numerous parts on airplanes. Instead of a paint pen, use Torque Seal, which is what is used on aircraft. It allows you to inspect the bolts, nuts .. etc and see if they are moving. It is not permanent like a paint pen, so you can re-apply easily when you take off the bolt and re-install. Here is a link.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/cgi-bin/air/hazel.cgi?action=serve&item=/Aircraft/C hemical/TorqueSeal.html |
Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 06:41 am: |
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Hey Stephen, while you are on Chief's site try buying something off their radio control section. Then you will learn what kind of pilot you are!  |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 08:56 pm: |
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God must not want me riding the Buell this week. After fixing my oil drain, and filling it with oil, I get ready for a test ride and.....the rear tire has a nail in it! <sigh> |
Aeholton
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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The way your week is going, you may not want to be out on the road. Sorry to hear about your run of unfortunate incidents. |
Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 09:05 am: |
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Chad, maybe it's the "little lady's" way of telling you that you are spending waay tooo much time on that bike!  |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 05:05 pm: |
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Sabotage! Exactly!
Well, I had to teach an MSF course this weekend, in the rain, so I wouldn't have been riding anyway. I did air up the tire and ride it to class. Had to haul some stuff, and the Ducati is not a good hauler. |
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