|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 04:16 pm: ||
I've periodically searched for EBR patents over the last few years, and it it occurred to me that ownership of these patents may be of particular importance considering the current situation, especially with regard to Hero.
Here are the ones I've found:
Patents developed by people at EBR and assigned to Hero:
Front Wheel for a scooter- https://www.google.com/patents/USD676369?dq=hero+m otocorp&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VRPVf70OJTcoASx44DIAw&ved=0 CB0Q6AEwAA
Rear Wheel for a scooter- https://www.google.com/patents/USD670631?dq=hero+m otocorp&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VRPVf70OJTcoASx44DIAw&ved=0 CCQQ6AEwAQ
Mirrors for a scooter- https://www.google.com/patents/USD667765?dq=hero+m otocorp&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VRPVf70OJTcoASx44DIAw&ved=0 CCsQ6AEwA
Scooter frame with integrated fuel tank- https://www.google.com/patents/US8919483?dq=hero+m otocorp&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VRPVf70OJTcoASx44DIAw&ved=0 CDkQ6AEwBA
Suspension/drive for a scooter- https://www.google.com/patents/US8950539?dq=ininve ntor:%22Erik+Buell%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dVZPVYSSKpKsog T4ioHACg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw
Protective covering for a scooter- http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT O2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-b ool.html&r=12&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=hero.ASNM .&OS=AN/hero&RS=AN/hero (for some reason this one doesn't show in google patents)
Patents assigned to people working at EBR (not assigned to EBR):
Hybrid motorcycle- https://www.google.com/patents/US20130168171?dq=he ro+motocorp&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7VRPVf70OJTcoASx44DIAw&v ed=0CF4Q6AEwCQ
Patent applications by EBR (patents not yet assigned, all appear to be associated with the 1190RX & SX):
Airbox- https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015057954A1?cl=e n&dq=inassignee:Erik+Buell+Racing,+Llc&ei=wFZPVZwl 0sSiBN2wgaAO
Motorcycle exhaust- https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015057951A1?cl=e n&dq=inassignee:%22Erik+Buell+Racing,+Llc%22&ei=F1 dPVeeFIIHaoATGyYFw
Multi-stage swirl induction- https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015057952A1?cl=e n&dq=inassignee:%22Erik+Buell+Racing,+Llc%22&ei=F1 dPVeeFIIHaoATGyYFw
So it looks like Hero holds several patents developed by EBR, while EBR doesn't currently hold any patents. OTOH- Erik and several others hold the patent for hybrid motorcycles independently of EBR, which would be good if EBR completely fails or is bought by Hero.
|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 04:44 pm: ||
I'd be interested in knowing the logic upon which you base your "good" and "bad" metrics.
Be mindful that roughly 50% of those named separated from EBR 1 - 3 months prior to "Black Wednesday".
Control off IP is a legal concept .... While it may be a running play or a passing play .... It's not a touchdown.
|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 04:49 pm: ||
Court- I was just basing that on the "assignee" of the patents. The hybrid motorcycle patent makes no mention of EBR or Hero for that matter, so that would seem to mean Erik and the others listed could build or license hybrid motorcycles built under this patent regardless of what happens with EBR.
The last 3 patent applications above list EBR as the "assignee". If the patent applications are approved, wouldn't that mean that whoever acquires EBR out of receivership would also take ownership of the patents? That certainly isn't necessarily a "bad" thing, I'd just hate to see Hero get them.
|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 05:02 pm: ||
Patent assignments are contracts
Anything, absently patently illegal acts, is fair game.
The assignment could be rendered "null and void upon the occurrence of 3 successive cloudy days". That would be legal and binding.
Patents are oft times hidden in obscure names ... Perhaps the inventor's 3rd cousin, so it's incumbent to know and read the whole of the contract and any codicils.
I've learned some of these things by basing strategies on what seemed normal, logical and intuitive ..... When real life was actually a twisty road.
If you're feeling like a glutton for punishment spend some time to study jurisdiction and venue ....oh, and Indian commercial law. What will the contract be interpreted under and where. Very easy to include "any action shall take place in Dehli Commerial House and interpreted under Indian Transactional Court Rules"
Involved in one now. You're logic is a good start just be aware that, absent data, inferences are necessarily best guesses.
|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 05:15 pm: ||
OK- thanks for the educational info. I guess that could imply there are other (maybe many other) EBR-related patents that would not be easily found.
|Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 07:44 pm: ||
Also just holding a patent does not mean you have the expertise needed to actually build something. Patents are not instructions; they try to present enough info that someone can't make the same thing without infringement BUT also present little enough that it will be hard to build the item after the patent runs out without major engineering work.
A company I worked for built a double recrepe paper machine only because we were able to hire all the engineers that developed it for Scott paper. the patents were expired but without the knowledge these guys had the machine would never have produced quality paper.